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Post by Suhana LIM on Nov 17, 2004 3:22:22 GMT -5
A teacher can only guide you so far ... sometimes you have to figure out the rest of the way yourself. The arts become diluted not because the teacher has not taught the art completely, but more because the student has not made the effort to discover the art completely. Da jia ni men hao It is said in CMA society that :"SIFU LEADS YOU INTO THE DOOR, CULTIVATION DEPENDS ON ONESELF." cHEERS.
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Post by Suhana LIM on Nov 17, 2004 3:27:04 GMT -5
I once studied the anti-Chinese riots that occurred in Indonesia and Malaysia as part of an economics course. The theory is that the discontent was caused by the success of the Chinese businessmen, leading to large segments of the indigenous population believe that they were dishonest or cheating in business. According the the economic studies, the truth was that the family cohesion in the Chinese businesses gave them an operating edge because labour costs were lowered. Interesting stuff. Fatman ni hao To summarize the above, in one word: ENVY Cheers.
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Post by Fatman on Nov 17, 2004 17:30:38 GMT -5
I was trying to avoid using that word
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Post by pitbull on Nov 17, 2004 17:43:36 GMT -5
yes,envy is one of the main factor...they often say that the chinese are only interested in earning off their land...what they didnt see is what the chinese contributed to the cross cultural richness intheir heritage..if the settlers could get rich by hard work then why cant the natives do better?
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Post by essence on Nov 17, 2004 22:27:00 GMT -5
Good day everybody.
Jealousy/envy indeed can be very devastating. Many countries have had civil unrest because of this, and many more have unbelieveable tension bubbling just under the surface waiting to explode due to jealousy/envy.
One of the things I have noticed is that many Chinese immigrants who go overseas tend to work very hard to improve their lives, and with hard work, they are usually rewarded with money in the form of bonuses or salary increases and are also promoted faster.
Many people who are jealous of these immigrants only see the outward appearance. Neighbours would see that the family is able to afford more things. When he goes out to eat, the people see his wallet and get "red eyed". No one sees the effort he puts in at work.
Just my thoughts on the matter.
Warmest regards, Tze Hou
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Post by pitbull on Nov 17, 2004 23:26:14 GMT -5
while some labor for no reward at all? hmmmm....
the reason why earlier chinese settlkers work harder is bec they have nothing to do but get rich. they dont have friends in a foreign land etc...i know how it feels as ive been there hehehe...also,earlier sojourners spend a lot just to go to america,SEasia etc for work,risking abuse and discrimination and even death. the trips mostly paid with a collateral of their home,land,family members etc...they have only one thing in mind...work... i was also told that the american west was builf from the back of chinese laborers who died building the rails there
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Post by Eric Ling on Nov 17, 2004 23:27:01 GMT -5
Good day everybody. Jealousy/envy indeed can be very devastating. Many countries have had civil unrest because of this, and many more have unbelieveable tension bubbling just under the surface waiting to explode due to jealousy/envy. One of the things I have noticed is that many Chinese immigrants who go overseas tend to work very hard to improve their lives, and with hard work, they are usually rewarded with money in the form of bonuses or salary increases and are also promoted faster. Many people who are jealous of these immigrants only see the outward appearance. Neighbours would see that the family is able to afford more things. When he goes out to eat, the people see his wallet and get "red eyed". No one sees the effort he puts in at work. Just my thoughts on the matter. Warmest regards, Tze Hou Tze Hou, Here is another sick thing - mainland Chinese "envious" of Hua Chiao's acheivements and affluence. I met many mainland "Siao Jie" and all they are very open with their propositions :- give me money and I will show you the honey. Talking to some guys from mainland (this was in Singapore) they all sound bitter because we have so much in Singapore. They are there to do backbreaking jobs in construction etc... They blame the commies for not giving them enough money making opportunities in China. One of them (bird brain) even suggested that Hua Chiaos should "donate" money to the motherland. After all, we are descendants of the Dragon, according to him. Hahahaha, I am a descendant of the Dragon, no doubt. But this dragon has moved on........... Thank you.
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Post by essence on Nov 17, 2004 23:54:23 GMT -5
Tze Hou, Here is another sick thing - mainland Chinese "envious" of Hua Chiao's acheivements and affluence. I met many mainland "Siao Jie" and all they are very open with their propositions :- give me money and I will show you the honey. Talking to some guys from mainland (this was in Singapore) they all sound bitter because we have so much in Singapore. They are there to do backbreaking jobs in construction etc... They blame the commies for not giving them enough money making opportunities in China. One of them (bird brain) even suggested that Hua Chiaos should "donate" money to the motherland. After all, we are descendants of the Dragon, according to him. Hahahaha, I am a descendant of the Dragon, no doubt. But this dragon has moved on........... Thank you. Good day Eric. This is very true. The last time I went back there, the newspapers were reporting on mainland Chinese going to coffeeshops to drink and night, then fighting after they get drunk, sometimes among themselves, sometimes with Singaporeans. It is very sad to see the integrity of these people deteriorate to such a state. When our families came over to Singapore in the past, they also had to do construction work and climb up slowly. Maybe you could tell them that? Mainland 'Siao Jies" are another issue which is plaguing Singaporeans apparently. They seem te be very cunning people who are always on the lookout to make a quick buck (with or without prostituting themselves). Sometimes, I wonder, if all Chinese had been brought up with the same values, how come there are so many who behave like so? Having said that, I know of a few mainland Chinese, who although are poor, are very contented and happy, and to me, to be contented is to truly be happy. Regarding donating to mainland China, I think Singaporeans have donated quite a bit to them. In fact, they have adopted our economic infrastructure and many Singaporeans are investing in the mainland. Warmest regards, Tze Hou
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Post by Eric Ling on Nov 18, 2004 0:24:16 GMT -5
Good day Eric. This is very true. The last time I went back there, the newspapers were reporting on mainland Chinese going to coffeeshops to drink and night, then fighting after they get drunk, sometimes among themselves, sometimes with Singaporeans. It is very sad to see the integrity of these people deteriorate to such a state. When our families came over to Singapore in the past, they also had to do construction work and climb up slowly. Maybe you could tell them that? Mainland 'Siao Jies" are another issue which is plaguing Singaporeans apparently. They seem te be very cunning people who are always on the lookout to make a quick buck (with or without prostituting themselves). Sometimes, I wonder, if all Chinese had been brought up with the same values, how come there are so many who behave like so? Having said that, I know of a few mainland Chinese, who although are poor, are very contented and happy, and to me, to be contented is to truly be happy. Regarding donating to mainland China, I think Singaporeans have donated quite a bit to them. In fact, they have adopted our economic infrastructure and many Singaporeans are investing in the mainland. Warmest regards, Tze Hou d**n the freaking commies.
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Post by pitbull on Nov 18, 2004 0:47:36 GMT -5
eh? u forgot that fujian and guangdong have been enjoying LOTS of benefits and work given my hoa kiao's...including donations...
as for xiao jie...its the same everywhere...i dont know about educated chinese girls though(these i want to meet and eat meat)...
as for mainlanders here in the philippines,most if not a large part of them are into illegal things like pirating vcd(this is OK hehehe) worse,selling drugs etc...and it ruins the reputation of us honest hoa kiaos... my forefathers were cooks...and poor...in fact my a-ma was illiterate,but she doesnt care the least about her literacy now bec she is in heaven now hehehe
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Post by Suhana LIM on Nov 18, 2004 3:16:08 GMT -5
Da jia ni men hao My personal experience is a bit different. During the 70s and 80s, when I visited mainland, yes most of the people were not as comfortable as we (hoa kiau) enjoyed in Nan Yang. The people tended to envy of our success in foreign lands. I still clearly remembered how my father and his friends always contributed money to be sent to mainland. The donation was used to built schools, hospitals, community centers. I find this is a noble thing. There is nothing wrong if you donate money for this purposes, especially for your place of birth. But since the paramount leader late Deng Xiao Ping opened economic policy, the transformation was so rapid and amazing. Deng Xiao Ping, the patriarch who set China on its new economic course, supposedly said it is "glorious to grow rich", a motto that become a guiding light for the go-getters. Thing changes so fast, that most of the villages and rice fields disappeared. Now, forest of skyscrapers are everywhere. We will not realize if we are in mainland with its communism still on. Mc. Donnald, KFC, Star Buck, Pizza Hut, whatever you can enjoy and get in metropolitan are available. The colors of their outfit is not plain dark blue or dark green with mao hat anymore. They are wearing the latest products from fashion houses of the world. Basically their way of life is just like us. They also practising the so called "cafe culture." As China's economy booms, its tycoons are puffing on cigars and flying in private jets. World's top 100 companies competing to open their branches or relocate their factories to mainland. They don't want to miss the very delicious market in the planet. So in my humble opinion, by saying that the mainlanders envy to hoa kiau was appropriate (few decades ago) but is not anymore. Cheers.
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Post by Eric Ling on Nov 18, 2004 4:13:40 GMT -5
Da jia ni men hao My personal experience is a bit different. During the 70s and 80s, when I visited mainland, yes most of the people were not as comfortable as we (hoa kiau) enjoyed in Nan Yang. The people tended to envy of our success in foreign lands. I still clearly remembered how my father and his friends always contributed money to be sent to mainland. The donation was used to built schools, hospitals, community centers. I find this is a noble thing. There is nothing wrong if you donate money for this purposes, especially for your place of birth. But since the paramount leader late Deng Xiao Ping opened economic policy, the transformation was so rapid and amazing. Deng Xiao Ping, the patriarch who set China on its new economic course, supposedly said it is "glorious to grow rich", a motto that become a guiding light for the go-getters. Thing changes so fast, that most of the villages and rice fields disappeared. Now, forest of skyscrapers are everywhere. We will not realize if we are in mainland with its communism still on. Mc. Donnald, KFC, Star Buck, Pizza Hut, whatever you can enjoy and get in metropolitan are available. The colors of their outfit is not plain dark blue or dark green with mao hat anymore. They are wearing the latest products from fashion houses of the world. Basically their way of life is just like us. They also practising the so called "cafe culture." As China's economy booms, its tycoons are puffing on cigars and flying in private jets. World's top 100 companies competing to open their branches or relocate their factories to mainland. They don't want to miss the very delicious market in the planet. So in my humble opinion, by saying that the mainlanders envy to hoa kiau was appropriate (few decades ago) but is not anymore. Cheers. Suhana Kor Kor, I think you kena "smoked". If mainland is doing so well, why do you find thousands of them in the tiny island of Singapore ? Men are there to work as cheap labor - mainly in digging underground tunnels and building skyscrapers. Women, well, mostly in the oldest profession. They are starting to appear in Sarawak even. Given 60 days visa, they are here to sell their cheap products. read palms, sell all sort of TCM. I even met one who was pushing cheap "viagra". And let not forget the "shiao Jies", they are everywhere. I think mainland is fast becoming like Hong Kong. The rich are getting richer and the rest ........ You talk about cafe cultures/ fast foods and brand labels. Well, kor kor, I got something to tell you that you might not like: mainly Hwa Chiao owned. One of my ex-classmates is in Shanghai. He own a chain of coffee clubs / food marts and pubs. My own younger brother is in Fujian. Him and a bunch of friends is operating 2 factories producing computer parts. And mainland Chinese is working very hard to get Hwa Chiaos to go back and invest. One way or another, they are trying to get your money. Remember what Teng said :- White cat or black cat - does'nt matter. As long as it catches mouse. Don't end up as Mickey, kor kor.
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Post by Suhana LIM on Nov 18, 2004 4:28:37 GMT -5
Eric Di Di ni hao No, no I am not kena "smoked". I am just sharing my personal experience and view. Cheap labours, oldest proffesion, it's not solely happened for mainland. We can even buy the best "chickens" from Europe in Jakarta So, no matter how developed the countries, there will always its people doing such things. Just because in Singapore or Serawak you see them is not an indicator of worsening situation in mainland. The gap between rich and poor getting wider here in Australia! So it's common problem everywhere in the world, not only happen in mainland. My older brother is living in Fuzhou, doing very well trading with overseas. Their living standard same as what we enjoyed. Regarding the hoa kiau investing in mainland, it's normal "money law". They always flow to where the profit is ;D So I'm sure without invited by the mainland government, people will compete to invest there. There is a new trend for the hoa kiau from Jkt to investing by buying properties in Guang Zhou. They do this not because the government of China encourage them, but attracted by the "honey" or in simpler word : profit. In my view, we better give mainland a fair judgement. No matter how bad, it's our ancestral country. Cheers.
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Post by Eric Ling on Nov 18, 2004 4:32:44 GMT -5
No matter how bad, it's our ancestral country. Cheers. Okay you win. China is our Ancestral country - cannot deny that. I still remember the source of my water kor kor. Thank you.
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Post by Suhana LIM on Nov 18, 2004 4:57:26 GMT -5
Okay you win. China is our Ancestral country - cannot deny that. I still remember the source of my water kor kor. Thank you. Eric Di Di ni hao Don't say that lah. I do not see it as a win or lose matter. We are just sharing and expressing our views and personal experiences. Of course there will be "variations." That's natural and ok. But at the end of the day, we must not forget where we come from. Kan Pei
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