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Post by WunYuen on Feb 13, 2005 21:19:44 GMT -5
Evert,
A collegue of yours told me on alot of emails that you didnt stay at bak mei for very long, why is that? Also this guy is seninor to you at that school you trained but arent held as a real student...why?
Your a clown, you think you know me but you dont, you use YKM info for your bak mei knowledge...lol
I stayed away but you wanna try and talk about me that in YOUR FORUM rules isnt allowed. LOL
Other then that please keep posting more YKM info does us alot of Good.
A question for you about GING, do you think these postures of bak mei and other hakka create ging?
What is GING to you Everet?
Now, does the stances give rooting?
Garry
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Post by WunYuen on Feb 13, 2005 21:27:41 GMT -5
OH EVERT,
PLEASE ADD A CLIP OF URSELF DOING BAK MEI?
LETS SEE WHAT YOU CAN DO!
Sorry to hijack this thread to the others my appolgies, seems someone that runs a forum cant stick by his own rules about SLANDERING others!
lol
please add a clip of your bak mei and your hung gar?
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Post by Eric Ling on Feb 13, 2005 23:21:21 GMT -5
Sorry to hijack this thread to the others my appolgies, seems someone that runs a forum cant stick by his own rules about SLANDERING others! WunYuen, I do not know you and I am not in any particular hurry to change that. Make no mistake, the only reason that I even bother to response to you is to give your YKM ancestors “face”. • From the very outset, we told you that you are not welcome here. This is my forum; I make the rules – understand that. If you are unhappy with that, so be it. Start your own forum! • I don’t “smear” others in my forum. And if you are alluding to me in your message, know this; I have personal experience with a big-time White Crane fraud from Australia who is now uncovered to the international White Crane community. My White Crane elders wanted me to name this person but I decided otherwise. I think my White Crane brothers/sisters in other countries are doing a very sufficient job. Almost every other day, I would receive messages from all over mentioning this charlatan in very demeaning terms. And unless your name is explicitly mentioned, STOP posting here. You are not wanted here. Eric Ling Hood Chew Pak Hok
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Post by WunYuen on Feb 14, 2005 1:01:32 GMT -5
Eric,
Talk about face but let your friend talk about YKM, including me? I certainly dont want to know you so dont get to excited.
I stayed away from here just reading but Evert brings me into this and i will respond accordingly if you like it or not. I dont give a rats ass what you think about my kung fu like i dont care for yours but if you are wanting to give face please do not as well Evert bring me into this. I dont mind you guys sharing YKM info i think thats great you like it and collect it amongst other arts.
As for Pak Hok thats not my politics take it else where!
I know alot of Pak Hok people maybe i know who you are talking about?
All i ask that your friend stop trying to slander me and ill stay away like i have been. But since its your forum you will do what he wants, thats your call.
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Post by Eric Ling on Feb 14, 2005 1:14:34 GMT -5
Eric, Talk about face but let your friend talk about YKM, including me? I certainly dont want to know you so dont get to excited. I stayed away from here just reading but Evert brings me into this and i will respond accordingly if you like it or not. I dont give a rats ass what you think about my kung fu like i dont care for yours but if you are wanting to give face please do not as well Evert bring me into this. I dont mind you guys sharing YKM info i think thats great you like it and collect it amongst other arts. As for Pak Hok thats not my politics take it else where! I know alot of Pak Hok people maybe i know who you are talking about? All i ask that your friend stop trying to slander me and ill stay away like i have been. But since its your forum you will do what he wants, thats your call. Okay, this is your last message. You are now shown to the door. NO FURTHER YKM MATERIALS WILL BE ALLOWED IN THIS FORUM. I want to apologize to the Ha family here. Good luck to you in other forums.
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Post by Nataraya on Feb 14, 2005 3:10:58 GMT -5
Good morning mister Heartfield,
Absolutely not surprised about your contact, I know exactly who you talked with. Practitioners will find each others, sort find sort. My contact with Eric Ling is such an example, your contact with your environment/ friends makes it clear too. For the readers, Southern Fist Online and Kung Fu magazine Forum are the places to read Fiercest Tiger his replies. Judge his level for your own. Garry I know that it was painful that I said that you are NOT welcome here, simply because your way of communication is not constructive. I gave you loads of material, and your ‘claiming’ is sick.
Read my replies on this forum and you can read it yourself that I had Pak Mei Pai lessons in the seventies. During that time I was in the close demonstration group around my Sifu. That weirdo you talked with, can tell this, although he is having serious status & ego problems, that’s why the two of you are fit perfectly. Maybe you can start a forum yourself?
I still practice Pak Mei Pai for myself. No secrets, I learned the system halfway Sap Paat Mor Kiu. But what I do covers still the quality as my late Sifu Jie Kon Siew taught me. And yes, I am still in touch with advanced/ senior Pak Mei Pai students. No lies, and so easy to proof. And, I am NOT a Pak Mei Pai teacher! Just love the art tremendously, and therefore practice it frequently. Contact the Dutch Pak Mei group and asked them, they can tell you who I am. Garry, as usual, your contacts are BAD, and you let mis-inform yourself. But that’s your path, I am afraid.
Eric Ling asked me to help him start up this forum. I do my best to have a constructive function in the set up. I have no ego/ status problems because I told in advance that soon I will step back. But my contact with some forum members is getting closer, besides the fact that this is still a positive environment, with good feedback.
Warm regards,
Evert.
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Post by Nataraya on Feb 15, 2005 2:20:46 GMT -5
Dear Eric,
Finally some information about the two extra attachments of the YKM article. The first picture was interesting, and I thought I was looking at a favorite Hung Kuen/ Tit Sin Kuen skill, known as Fen Gam Kiu, Dividing Golden Bridge. From the cat stance it looks very closely to a Element posture from Sap Ying Kuen/ Ng Ying Ng Hang Kuen, or Ten Pattern form as done in Hung Ga Kuen.
The other postures are typical Hakka, with some tendency towards Lung Ying. (I know, this is all personal interpretation). The way the body is bend forwards, rather deep stances, deeper then (for instance) in many Pak Mei forms (Lee Sai Keung branch) is done.
Are you able to translate the Cheng Wu of the Fen Gam Kiu posture? Does it speaks about an 'Element', and what name is being used?
Together with the first (ending) page, I think the reader have a nice impression of Hakka.
Thank you Eric,
Evert.
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Post by Eric Ling on Feb 15, 2005 2:54:16 GMT -5
Dear Eric, Finally some information about the two extra attachments of the YKM article. The first picture was interesting, and I thought I was looking at a favorite Hung Kuen/ Tit Sin Kuen skill, known as Fen Gam Kiu, Dividing Golden Bridge. From the cat stance it looks very closely to a Element posture from Sap Ying Kuen/ Ng Ying Ng Hang Kuen, or Ten Pattern form as done in Hung Ga Kuen. The other postures are typical Hakka, with some tendency towards Lung Ying. (I know, this is all personal interpretation). The way the body is bend forwards, rather deep stances, deeper then (for instance) in many Pak Mei forms (Lee Sai Keung branch) is done. Are you able to translate the Cheng Wu of the Fen Gam Kiu posture? Does it speaks about an 'Element', and what name is being used? Together with the first (ending) page, I think the reader have a nice impression of Hakka. Thank you Eric, Evert. Hahahaha Evert my dear friend, You obviously don’t know me well. When I said no more YKM in this forum; I mean it. I do not wish to talk about YKM in this forum period. Let’s discuss this in the new forum. Should be ready in the next couple of days. I got plenty of their forms, weapons and 2 men set in my library. Prosit (whatever that means!).
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Post by narval on Feb 15, 2005 3:21:32 GMT -5
hi everyone, the dragon tech is moy cop. One palm grabs and pulls while the other palm moves forward. N.
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Post by Nataraya on Feb 15, 2005 4:27:30 GMT -5
Dear narval,
Mor Kap, Mor Jeung or Mor Kiu are terms that covers a very essential keyword in Hakka Boxing, and Lung Ying more specific. It is not a unique skill because it is being used a lot in Pak Mei, for instance Sap Paat Mor Kiu form.
The keyword Mor means rubbing and - depending upon the skill and interpretation, can range all the way to grinding. But that's fun with thiese keywords, they can change of character anytime, depending upon your own 'decision'. Control or Kill.
In general, the Mor is translated as rubbing, polishing action, frequently in a horizontal path. It is a swallowing action, frequently with the help of a claw hand. It can be executed single handed or together with a simultaneous counterhand, a perfect balance of Yum Yeung. A beautiful skill that should be polished in its finest detail. One of the reason why I like this keyword. Launched togerther with Bik Pu creates a very nice explosive action.
These keywords should be filmed and discussed, in such a forum, and then discuss the technical interpretations , and so learn closer from each others.
Lung Ying have so much overlap with other Hakka systems, like to refer to; the typical stance(s), backfist, ....
Warm regards,
Evert.
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Post by narval on Feb 15, 2005 5:05:40 GMT -5
As you say, one characteristic of LY is that moves can have very different applications. ...deflect inwards, deflect outwards, grab, hit, push...all in the same move but with different focus and intention. N
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Post by Eric Ling on Feb 15, 2005 11:36:01 GMT -5
Gentlemen,
I did discuss this with a Hakka Sifu here. Not a Lung Yin player himself but he is very well informed about most Hakka systems. He is a SPM Sifu.
The word “Mor” could mean both “scrapping” and “polishing”.
To him, you need to “scrap” first before you “polish”.
Scrap suggests more apparent actions and polishing more subtle.
I think the good question should be; when you “Mor Kiu”, which part or what exactly are you trying to scrap or polish? Referring to the bridge of course.
And before anyone ask me to butt out; since I am not a Hakka player, I must say that I am deeply interested because one of my “bridge breaking” concepts is “mwhy chiu”.
That alien sounding name is Fuzhou for “Mor Shou” in Cantonese.
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Post by Nataraya on Feb 15, 2005 15:17:57 GMT -5
Eric,
Mor can (will) be changed in character, also literallly. I can see the fun as a double interpretation, and it sounds VERY mean. maybe only a Hakka player can think this way. Imagine, first get the skin (scrape) away, and then slowly and softly "brush" (another meaning) through the open wounds, lovely!
The applications we did was mainly on the arms, single as well as double handed. The double handed you can find in Saam Moon Chui/ Kuen. But you can imagine that you can brush a kick away to, partly by side stepping. Also seen in many styles.
Mor Kiu in backwards retreat is a lovely technique, but you need to feel it Eric. If we met this year, I will show you some variations of this skill.
Take care,
Evert.
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Post by Southernfist on Feb 15, 2005 18:10:15 GMT -5
In reference to Lung Ying and other Hakka styles as mentioned before they do share alot in common. I study both Lung Ying and Bak Mei There are many similarities in technique and application. What is different is the intent and the generating of force or power of the technique which makes it different.
Also if seen performed the practitioner will emphasize different generating power to some techniques then others.
As my sifu mentioned the movement is either changed ,altered, or done differently depending on the situation. Also the time frame in which you learned that specific technique.
Example when you were taught to punch in the beginning it will be done diferently after two,five,ten years and with different situations.
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Post by JookLum on Feb 15, 2005 22:56:43 GMT -5
Hello everyone!
The scrape, brush,polish, grind, glide,rubbing etc. of Mor, Moy,Ma is also used for Dim Mak description of point activation.
Just my 2 cents, or at least 1 and a half cent.
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