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Post by Eric Ling on Feb 10, 2005 21:25:47 GMT -5
Finally found the trainings 'tool' as used in Yung Chun White Crane: Evert. Errrh, Evert are you sure this is Yong Chun White Crane? Looks more like Tibetian White Crane and "Yi Pan" or "ear plate". Remember if I am wrong, be nice. I am just a landscaper in the middle of nowhere...........
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Post by Nataraya on Feb 11, 2005 1:52:50 GMT -5
Eric,
Of course I made a mistake in my text, it is White Crane from the Lama Pai, or what I am saying too, from Tibet (Northern White Crane).
I tried to make the link with the stone ones as used in Martins family.
Thanks for the correction.
Greetings,
Evert.
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Post by Eric Ling on Feb 11, 2005 5:33:48 GMT -5
Eric, Of course I made a mistake in my text, it is White Crane from the Lama Pai, or what I am saying too, from Tibet (Northern White Crane). I tried to make the link with the stone ones as used in Martins family. Thanks for the correction. Greetings, Evert. Evert, Not sure whether this has been posted or not but from cover of an old mag....yi pan.
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Post by mickeykh on Feb 14, 2005 5:36:19 GMT -5
Hi Eric Siheng I recall that sifu is very sadistic in his conditioning & I am partly part of this sadistic product in mind till today.... To practise the "lianhua palm", he made us chop bamboo pieces & wood & bricks till it turn bloody red & then treat it in warm soothing herbs. I remember always take MC in army days in bandages till my buddies always think I am the phycho one! Did he "mistreat" U liek tat in Safra? I have heard alot of frigthtening stories from the others that they always ponten.....
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Post by YoungDitNgau on Feb 16, 2005 5:32:10 GMT -5
I was wondering the various ways to help condition fingers for a finger jab attack! I am aware that when applying this technique normally aimed at the softer parts and p.points of the body. And was wondering is it safe to assume this will also help strengthen my grip
My Sifu already gives me drills to strengthen my fingers, like pressups on my fingers. to the more strenous ones of pickin up logs on the end and liftin them. Also i have watched this program on National Discovery supposedly on the monks in Guangdong and they used this other method for one finger zen. They repeatedly struck a solid object with the finger(s) they wished to strengthen.
Is this a sane approach to training fingers. Seems rather harsh. Im sure nothing the old jow couldnt fix though!
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Post by JookLum on Feb 17, 2005 1:04:30 GMT -5
Hello YoungDitNgau!
The training you already do that your Sifu taught you are along the best road to strenghten your fingers especially for SPM because grasping/pulling training like the log you mentioned also develop an elongation and pointed element to the fingers which is used in the many clawing,grasping,pressing,striking etc. techniques in SPM. This is also taught in many of the core form`s like Sam Bo Gin.
The training you asked about like the one finger zen should be, if done, with more of a pushing motion against an object rather than a dull striking which can cause a shortening of the fingers and dulling of the finger tips which will nullify much of the piercing ability of the fingers.
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Post by YoungDitNgau on Feb 17, 2005 3:27:11 GMT -5
Thanks a lot for the response, sarm bo jin is my favourite form aswell! Also the fact that my sifu drills me on it relentlessly til i am absolutely flawless in its application. I hadnt thought about the clawing action to be honest. lol was thinkin more along the striking side, but seems in my quest for one thing i have managed to attain another. I have been taught some chin na in spm bt have not been taught how to apply the claw as of yet! I am currently trying to strengthen my two knuckles, ( phoenix eye & dragon's tooth) and my fingers. Extremely harsh but worth every second of training
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Post by Eric Ling on Feb 17, 2005 5:05:00 GMT -5
Thanks a lot for the response, sarm bo jin is my favourite form aswell! Also the fact that my sifu drills me on it relentlessly til i am absolutely flawless in its application. I hadnt thought about the clawing action to be honest. lol was thinkin more along the striking side, but seems in my quest for one thing i have managed to attain another. I have been taught some chin na in spm bt have not been taught how to apply the claw as of yet! I am currently trying to strengthen my two knuckles, ( phoenix eye & dragon's tooth) and my fingers. Extremely harsh but worth every second of training This is so fun (and confusing!!)... San Chiem = 3 battles ; Ngo Chor, Tai Chor. Fukien White Crane, Karate and a bunch of other Fukien styles. San Jin = 3 advances ; Whooping Crane. Sam Bo Jin = 3 arrow steps ; SPM and other Hakka styles. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhh............I QUIT!!!
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Post by JookLum on Feb 18, 2005 1:03:20 GMT -5
Hello again YoungDitNgau,
It is good to hear your Sam Bo Jin is going well and that your Sifu drills you relentlessly on it, it is a multi-purpose foundation of knowledge.
Other ways to build finger strength are lifting a flat cement block to shoulder height(arms either extended or with elbows slightly bent), block is held with extended fingers and thumb with palm facing downward. Then let go of block and reach both hands down and grab the block by your fingers and lift again upto shoulder height and drop and catch. Repeat this until fingers give out and then stretch out your hands and fingers.
You can also do this with a sand bag or one sand bag in each hand or with a partner throwing a sand bag back and forth while catching it with the fingers. Also you can perform phoenix eye push ups which can be first done with bent knees or straight legs. Your phoenix eye fist when placed on the floor or pillow,mat,folded towel etc. for the push up will not be pressing on the point of your phoenix eye knuckle but on flat part of your finger between the two joints.
Hope these help and i like your website, good job.
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Post by YoungDitNgau on Feb 18, 2005 3:58:05 GMT -5
Yes thank you for that! Will play with those ideas. My sifu already makes me do pressups on my one knuckle and lightly hit the punch bag! Ive tried that training with the block but not advisable in the cold! LOL but warms up and then the job gets done! Do you guys sarm bo jin look like ours Jook Lum! you can check out some parts of our sarm bo jin from my SiHing's page @ www.go.to/ironox
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Post by JookLum on Feb 21, 2005 1:23:02 GMT -5
Hi YoungDitNgau,
Sorry i havent been online for a few days so did not get to check the link you posted until now. Your Sam Bo Gin looks pretty much the same at least the parts in the pictures. I have learned a few versions and levels of Sam Bo Gin and those are very similar too. It would be very cool to see a video of your full form. Since the U.K. has alot of Chow Gar have you been able to compare your form with theirs? What was your opinion?
Thanks, Nick
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Post by YoungDitNgau on Feb 21, 2005 4:01:48 GMT -5
Heya Jook Lum, nice to get feedback from you. Well to be quite honest the chow gar guys tend to stick to themselves , we also have quite a lot of bamboo forest guys, but unfortunately unable to get a hold of em! But you right loads of Paul Whitrod's guys about in the UK. Actually on Chinese New Year we were hoping to bump into other hakka practitioners here in Chinatown UK, but no such luck. To be honest i am more interested in crossing hands with them so i can pick up the strengths and weaknesses. But in saying that here is a link with Paul Whitrod's guys demo'ing various forms of body conditioning @ www.chowgarprayingmantis.com/Chow_gar_Mpeg_movie_clips.htm im hoping to meet these guys soon!
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Post by Jay on Feb 21, 2005 22:04:45 GMT -5
Hi there YoungDitNgau,
The key to finger strikes are the tendons. Change them and you'll be hitting with your fingers harder.
The main focus is definately with grabbing things as these exercises also emphasise positive changes when applied for striking (not grabbing).
You could also try filling a bucket with sand and thrusting your fingers in and clawing in with the resistance of the sand (like biu, claw in SBJ).
If that gets too easy upgrade to rice then coarse gravel, etc....
Jay
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Post by diligentmantis on Feb 22, 2005 5:29:46 GMT -5
Hi Guys, Befire using the conditioning you talk about , You have to have the correct Dit Da Jow , your hands have to last you a life time., Don't disfigure them there are different ways to strenghten hands.
sean
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Post by Jay on Feb 22, 2005 22:40:48 GMT -5
Right on Sean,
Any conditioning should be undertaken with strict supervision from your Sifu.
Besides, he'll tell you when your ready to progress into new methods and also how to do them correctly.
Cheers, Jay
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