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Post by Suhana LIM on Jan 15, 2005 23:25:24 GMT -5
Da jia ni men hao
The first and second obviously yes, but the third and fourth ?
Cheers.
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Post by essence on Jan 16, 2005 0:42:00 GMT -5
Good day Suhana.
From what I can see, the third technique is definitely a Crane one, but whether it is Peho or not can be disputed.
It is the same as Hung Gar's Crane, maybe it is a Cantonese Crane?
Warmest regards, Tze Hou
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Post by Eric Ling on Jan 16, 2005 4:42:59 GMT -5
Okay folks, The Bunkai for Chinto, in fact this is for the other version “Gangaku” or “Crane Standing on Rock”. I got to say I barely see any “Crane” in the moves but this could be because this version is Japanese. Anyone know where I can view the Okinawan Bunkai? www.karatebond.nl/karate/KBNfotofilm/ONK2004/FilmpjesONK2004.htm
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Post by Nataraya on Jan 16, 2005 6:57:20 GMT -5
Choy Lee Fut (Doc Fai Wong) with a technique known as: "Crane strikes with its wings": Evert.
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Post by MightBHooked on Jan 17, 2005 11:30:19 GMT -5
Okay folks, The Bunkai for Chinto, in fact this is for the other version “Gangaku” or “Crane Standing on Rock”. I got to say I barely see any “Crane” in the moves but this could be because this version is Japanese. Anyone know where I can view the Okinawan Bunkai? www.karatebond.nl/karate/KBNfotofilm/ONK2004/FilmpjesONK2004.htmEric, It's definitely because that version is Japanese. I'm not sure of any Bunkai [Okinawan] of Chinto on the web, that's available to view. If I find any, I'll be sure to post it here. Thanks to everyone for the replies / info. If I can ever find that article on Chinto that I'm still looking for, I'll post it here. Thanks, Larry
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Post by Eric Ling on Jan 17, 2005 11:40:04 GMT -5
Hi Larry,
If you go to the same site I inserted in the "PaiHo" post, you'll find another Bunkai for Chinto.
Is that the Okinawan version?
Thanks.
Eric
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Post by MightBHooked on Jan 18, 2005 10:22:22 GMT -5
Hi Eric,
Thanks, I missed that one. I'm not able to view the 'mov.' format for some reason. I was able to view the 'paiho' form in the 'wmv' format.
I've tried downloading Real Player but, I keep having problems with installing it.
Maybe you or Russ have some suggestions on how I can view it, I currently have windows media player.
Regards, Larry
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Post by MightBHooked on Jan 19, 2005 13:17:12 GMT -5
Okay I'm able to view that video in the 'mov' format. It's a different version of Chinto. The site that I posted is the version I do, but now that I've viewed it, its only half of the kata. I would love to tie a CKF form to at least one of the kata from the Shorin stream, like Goju and Uechi's Sanchin kata. Maybe there is still hope, like this forum, which is a valuable resource. Regards, Larry PS - Eric the forum seems to have more traffic lately and a growing member list in the last couple of days. That means more knowledge and learning for us all!
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Post by Eric Ling on Jan 20, 2005 0:16:04 GMT -5
Hi Larry, Cannot be that hard. After your style is “ShorinRyu” - “Shaolin Stream” if I translate the Kanji directly. I said many times that karate is heavily influenced by CKF or for that matter a big part of Okinawa/Japanese culture do show Chinese’s inspiration. However to pick any one kata and link it directly with a CKF form, is IMHO, a pretty tall order. Except maybe San Chin. And really this is not my isolated opinion. Many of my CKF peers share the same position. I think it is fair to say that many Karate pioneers did absorb much Chinese fighting skills during their study stay in China. But apparently not from one single source. With these skills, they constructed their individual styles. Oftentimes you would hear Whooping Crane mentioned as the “primary” source but my bewilderment has always been this; what are these folks moving so differently from Chinese Whooping Crane. Not only stylistically different but right down to the rudiments. I did, over the last few weeks, viewed some Karate Crane clips. And really I must comment that they are very Fukien Crane from where I am looking. And yes the family is growing bigger. Good or bad, well we'll see.........
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Post by MightBHooked on Jan 21, 2005 14:27:39 GMT -5
Hi Larry, Cannot be that hard. After your style is “ShorinRyu” - “Shaolin Stream” if I translate the Kanji directly. There are different ways of writing the first kanji. Ours is a 3 stroke character for Sho/Shao instead of the four stroke, in Japanese it's 'Ko'. I agree with you. I know, I was reaching. We can only rely mostly on oral history. I still do not know a complete crane kata, I just follow along and get lost. Thanks, Larry
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Post by Eric Ling on Jan 22, 2005 2:05:33 GMT -5
Ah Larry, So yours is the “Small” rather than “Young” forest. As long as we are talking about the same forest………<br> One thing that I find intriguing and please pardon me if I sound naïve here; Why the fascination with the Crane? What is the enthrallment all about? I really have to tell you there is nothing “extraordinary” about White Crane Boxing. And I am not guessing here. Just a tree in the forest of trees. And Sir, I did look at many other trees to arrive at this evaluation. Anyway, happy hunting.
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