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Post by essence on Dec 16, 2004 3:28:15 GMT -5
Good day Evert.
I would dearly love to receive The Way of the Warriors from you. I have heard about this show from my Sifu and I understand that my Sigung Cheung Yee Keung is in that show.
Thank you so much for your kind generosity Evert. I greatly appreciate your help.
Once again, thank you so much.
Gratefully, Tze Hou
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Post by Eric Ling on Jan 2, 2005 10:28:53 GMT -5
An outer cresent kick done in 7 Stars Praying Mantis kung fu. These guys are from Hong Kong's Chin Wu Association.
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Post by Nataraya on Jan 2, 2005 11:17:32 GMT -5
As you know Eric, I met William Lo in 1980. He was very kind and was openminded. He asked me to attack him and he would show me some Lama. I attacked him with Pak Mei skill. He recognized the style and told me he had practice that art too. I know he study a lot of styles, forget how many. The meeting with grandmaster Lo was great, and I just liked the man. Warm regards, Evert.
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Post by Eric Ling on Jan 8, 2005 0:36:55 GMT -5
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Post by essence on Jan 9, 2005 3:13:51 GMT -5
Good day everybody. This kick is also found in Hung Gar, although I do not know the technique's name. I am very curious though, as to why the body has to be horizontal, to be level with the kicking leg. Does this add more power to the kick? Anyone able to shed some light on this matter for me? Thank you in advance. Warmest regards, Tze Hou
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Post by Nataraya on Jan 9, 2005 4:59:29 GMT -5
The kick is found in Gung Ji Fook Fu Kuen and is known (simply) as Tiger tail kick. In our branch we kick to the knee, while leaning slightly backwards. I have seen Hung Ga schools that touch (with both hands) the ground while kicking. All acceptable variatins of the Tiger tail kick. Note: On the left is master Wong Kiew Kit, his translation is; "Lazy Tiger Stretches his waist/ body". On the right grandmaster Lam Sai Wing. Warm regards, Evert.
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Post by essence on Jan 9, 2005 6:00:35 GMT -5
Good day Evert.
Would variations of this same technique have different names, as Sifu Wong has a different name from GM LSW. Also, what is the significance of bending the body to become level with the kick?
Warmest regards, Tze Hou
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Post by Nataraya on Jan 9, 2005 7:08:19 GMT -5
Good question Tze Hou. Every technique can have different qualities, and so reflect a more Water, wood or for instance a metal quality. In the original GJFFK book there was no specific name of this skill. While Wong use the name of Lazy Tiger stretiching his leg. When I look to my cat doing such a skill, it is interesting to see how it is stretched and trembling while the leg is being kept straight. Oh, just observations.
I do not know the application (idea) behind master Wong's technique, it is out of another form, but it covers the same skill.
I once saw a Choy Ga form doing the Tiger tail kick in a trapping skill. Leading the opponent after you and suddenly fall to the ground while kicking backwards. Monkey Boxing is using such a skill too.
Like in the picture you attached, the hands are functional. You can imagine that when your arms are doing nothing, the balance will be tougher. That's probably why some schools touch the ground and give an "Earth - Element" like kick to your opponent.
Just ideas to explain a possible interpretation.
regards,
Evert.
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Post by Eric Ling on Jan 9, 2005 8:23:43 GMT -5
Here is another kick done by Hung Gar’s Chiu Chi Lum. I suppose this is taken from the 10 Animals Forms and the name should be “White Horse Presenting Hooves”. Thanks.
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Post by Nataraya on Jan 9, 2005 8:59:47 GMT -5
According to an article I just read about development of this kick, the origine can be found in Wei (Toh) style (Wei ga Kuen) and the Kung Ga system. The kick was secret and was later integrated in many systems, such as Monkey Boxing, Lama, Hung Kuen,... The common name is Tigertail kick, but also known as: "Yellow Dog Passes Urine". The text said: this is also a Tiger tail's Kick with the only difference that it is not used in a face-to-face attack, but as a means to change a disadvantage into victory". Wei Ga jumps toward the opponent, Kung Ga step backwards. Eric, we are practicing the Ten animal form, there is no Tigertail kick in the Horse section. All Horse skills are done with two arms/fists simultaneously. Very Lohan look alike... Warm regards, Evert.
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Post by Eric Ling on Jan 9, 2005 9:06:32 GMT -5
Eric, we are practicing the Ten animal form, there is no Tigertail kick in the Horse section. All Horse skills are done with two arms/fists simultaneously. Very Lohan look alike... Hey Evert, Thought I saw this kick in the Late Kwan Tak Hing's 10 Animals but he is not Hung Gar..... Anyway, I could be totally wrong. So where do you think CCL got the kick from? He is solely Hung Gar right?
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Post by konghan on Jan 9, 2005 11:02:37 GMT -5
Good day everybody. This kick is also found in Hung Gar, although I do not know the technique's name. I am very curious though, as to why the body has to be horizontal, to be level with the kicking leg. Does this add more power to the kick? Anyone able to shed some light on this matter for me? Thank you in advance. Warmest regards, Tze Hou Being in horizontal with the kick: 1. gives more penetrating power through proper body alignment. 2. it serves to defend against a counter punch or if the opponent is trying to counter with an attack on your head either with a fist or a weapon. keeping your body a bit low or horizontal will make your attacker missed, just like how a grappler would counter against a striker punching for th head the grappler would dive low & go for th legs. In our case, we'll counter with a side kick. Here is what putting your body in horizontal with your sidekick for, excuse me for the picture but the color got damage from moisture, this is an old picture taken during the 70's. The side kick landed in his mid section, lifting him up & eventually jerking him back while making him missed with his straight punch becuase the kicker had his body slant back or leaning in horizontal.
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Post by essence on Jan 10, 2005 3:17:01 GMT -5
Good day everybody.
Evert: Thank you for that explanation and the observation of the cat. I think we can learn a lot from observing our pet animals, my Sifu in Australia always observes his pet cat and then tries to draw relations to his martial arts from there.
konghan: I see your point. Avoiding and countering would be one of the main purposes I would imagine, thank you for pointing that out.
I guess the real thing that makes me curious about this technique is that it takes quite a lot of commitment to execute as the position assumed is a very compromised one, assuming the kick misses and the exponent is caught. This could lead to very serious consequences including permanent paralysis, giving the vulnerability of the knee in such a position. In my humble opinion, I would think this technique would work best while retreating and the opponent is chasing you down to add the impact of the opponent running towards you and the delivery of the kick, plus, the opponent would hardly expect a kick while chasing you down. In this scenario, I would imagine lean the body down would give some balance as you are running away. Thoughts?
Warmest regards, Tze Hou
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Post by pitbull on Jan 10, 2005 4:37:47 GMT -5
when you miss intentionally or otherwise you can always do a scissors kick...depending on ur position and timing...you will get him...this is very good for charging opponent types..people who just rush in
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Post by Nataraya on Jan 10, 2005 8:33:02 GMT -5
A nice technical posture of Lama Tiger Tail Kick: Evert.
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