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Post by Eric Ling on Dec 3, 2004 5:07:38 GMT -5
Good day Eric. Unfortunately, I am unfamiliar with the Sifu. Is this the same school which is found near Keong Saik Road? Warmest regards, Tze Hou No, different Sifu. If I am not wrong all the Pak Hok Sifus in Singapore were disciples of Leong Ji Yang including the one in the picture. His school was in Whampoi area - near the famous Bak Kut Teh hawker stall. They were very big one time, when I was just a kid. Remember "President" or "Hoover" theaters? That's the area I am refering to. Memories.......
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Post by essence on Dec 3, 2004 6:56:59 GMT -5
Good day Eric.
Unfortunately, I do not know about the cinemas. However, I know of 2 Bak Kut Teh stores in the Balestier/Whampoa areas. They sell very good Bak Kut Teh, a little stingy on the meat though.
Warmest regards, Tze Hou
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Post by Nataraya on Dec 3, 2004 8:23:24 GMT -5
The picture of the Pak Mei cover is: Sifu Yen Chien Kuang, and learned his skills from the oldest son of Chang Li Chuan namely: Chang Ping Lin. In a Secrets of Kung Fu magazine (Hong Kong 20) it is state that Sifu Yen Chien Kuang belongs to one of the four Outstanding Masters of Pak Mei.
In this article he explains something about the forms: Five Element Rubbing Form (NG Hang Mo Kiu ?) and the Tiger leaves the Jungle form (Mang Fu Chat Lam). Does this ring a bell by the Fukien Boxers?
Take care,
Evert.
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Post by Eric Ling on Dec 3, 2004 9:04:14 GMT -5
Hey Pit, Picture of Lama Peho for you sent by Evert. Evert calls this "Cantonese White Crane". I think this is apt to distinguish it from Hockien Peho.
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Post by Nataraya on Dec 3, 2004 9:46:31 GMT -5
Gentlemen,
I did my best to avoid discussion. I thought ERic that you would have take the opportunity ro reply and tell the reader about Sing Lung's art ( Li Huzi). And that his art (Lion's Roar) was the source of Lama pai, Haap Ga and White Crane. We are speaking about 1820 now. So far I didn't hear different things that post Sing Lung, the art was divided in three other branches, and this was created in Kwantung province? Please correct me if I am wrong.
In the seventies we were so hungry at knowledge and forms that my pak mei teacher did learn a White Crane set in Hong Kong from his friend Cheung Kwok Wah, the actor.
I remember that it was so different, while the punching was very painful for your shoulders. Almost every technique was with straight arms, Daai Kiu.
So, Cantonese White Crane, is a much younger sprout the Fukien Crane. I have problems in stating that Fukien Crane is the same as cantonese Crane (Fu Hoc and Lama pai (as you are saying Eric).
The Crane sequence is out of Fu Hoc, done by a student of Lee Chan Wo, a student from Mok Gwai Lam's Hung Kuen (Mok Gwai lam was the fourth wife of Wong Fei Hung).
I found the Crane head - last two pictures - very interesting, especially the blocking hand. Both hand positions are phoenis eye structure........
Just wanted to share this with you.
regrads,
Evert.
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Post by Eric Ling on Dec 3, 2004 10:25:43 GMT -5
Evert, did not really want to get caught in this controversy encircling Lama Pai and spin-offs.
Reading different reports in different places, you get diametrically different stories about origins etc. So, I thought it is prudent to enjoy the various sub-systems and not comment.
Take Hop Gar for instance; there is a school in HK that teaches no forms whatsoever. They just do their techniques in different permutations – pow, kaap, chien, swoy choy etc etc…<br> Lama White Crane is, according to many, inspired by a duel between an ape and a crane. And for the longest time, I was trying to figure out the “crane” part of what they do. And it came in the form of “Min Loi Chan” – a later day’s inclusion. And if you examine Pak Hok’s other forms, you’ll see Luk Lek, 5 Animals, Lor Hon, Kam Kong and of course the Drunken form. So the only Crane form seems to be MLC.
Lama Pai – the one that you studied is even more complex IMHO. Sifu Lo was featured in a HK mag doing Lama Pai’s kicks and I got to say; different from standard CKF kicks. So I really do not know what to think about this system.
Lion Roar – never really got a chance to observe this except reading articles about it.
Again, pardon me for saying this, the Crane in Canton is really nothing like Fukien’s. Most times it would appear to me that crane is taking a “secondary” place in Cantonese boxing.
And frankly, I see more cranes in SPM, Lung Ying and Bak Mei and these are all Hakka.
Oooops missed out Wing Chun again.
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Post by Gojumaster on Dec 3, 2004 11:18:39 GMT -5
Hey Guys,
From Evert: -Wuzu Sanchin article from John Graham -Scans of He Quan Sanchin from Fujian Nanquan Congshu -Scans of White Crane articles from Wu Lin magazine
From me: -Video of the White Crane (wushu) player (same as Eric's screen grabs) -Video of Yong Chun Tonfa / Crutch form -Video of Dog Boxer (same as Eric's screen grabs)
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Post by Gojumaster on Dec 3, 2004 11:26:30 GMT -5
Guys,
I just got some VCD's in of this style, and I really love it. Their conditioning methods are excellent! Iron rings, iron balls, etc.
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Post by Eric Ling on Dec 4, 2004 0:54:54 GMT -5
Okay some more addtional materials. Pic 1 - A scan from Evert about Shaolin Crane? Don't know this one. Elaboration Evert? Pic 2 & 3 - Lama Peho Tan Kok Wah. The Sifu that Pit has been talking about. Pic 4 & 5 - Very interesting San Chiem described as "White Crane San Chiem". This form, however, is practised by NCK. Comments anyone?
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Post by Eric Ling on Dec 4, 2004 2:03:47 GMT -5
Evert, Here's one that might appeal to you. Hsing I's wooden dummy.
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Post by Nataraya on Dec 4, 2004 3:02:44 GMT -5
Yes, what to say. I feel like a child sitting in a candystore and enjoying the pictures. Some great shots Eric. especially the dummy made my saliva start dropping downwards. What a design, beautiful. Hopefully you can launch a bigger picture on the conditioning forum too. We must try to bring the material in the right map so that visitors have greta material to look at, and think about.
Cheung Kok Wah - the Lama Pai Ho teacher - is a friend of my Pak mei Sifu Jie Kon Siew. I have beautiful shots in his mo gwoon. And as usual, I am interested in that article. But Eric, it is time that I teach you TSK. My wife is throwing pots and pans to me, but thank to TSK it doesn't affect me anymore. I know Cranes are vulnurable animals, really learning such a skill and you can buy 10 scanners, hahahahaha
Shaolin White Crane?
Source: Shaolin Internal and External Kung Fu. Published in Taipei, taiwan. Mc Lisa Enterprises, hawaii. Compiled and edited by H.C. Chao. What I can remember is that the books is about Fukien Siu lam. But I could be wrong. When you open this book you might think, strange. bad drawings, strange pronounciations of Chinese. But the text that comes with the pictures are very interested. What I like even more, are the drawings as I send them to you. Little Sepia layer over it, and lovely. What I will do is make a potret of one of the players. And guess? They look a bit like Indians, hahahaha.
One more question of the Hsing I dummy. Looks like it is in front of a house? On the street? Just imagine.......
Warm regards,
Evert.
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Post by Eric Ling on Dec 4, 2004 9:26:02 GMT -5
Hey everybody, Got the below pictures from Evert a few hours ago - had to rush out to conduct classes, so ..... Very nice shots of Lama White Crane's Sifu Chan Kok Wah. Enjoy.
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Post by Eric Ling on Dec 4, 2004 22:12:11 GMT -5
ooooookay, some more pictures from old magazines. #1 - Cover showing Tai Chi Mantis "Conditioning". That or the guy on the left is getting punished. #2 - Sifu Chan Siu Chung of Tai Sheng Pek Kwa - the monkey style kung fu. #3 - Pictures of an old Sifu doing "School of Natural Boxing" kung fu.
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Post by pitbull on Dec 5, 2004 18:31:25 GMT -5
seeing the san zhans in mr watts' place(are these eng chun?) i can say that its 90% the same from what NCK does except for the opening salute(they have 1 we have 5 sometimes takes too long LOL) and the execution of techniques..was sooo surprised to see the similarity though...
the kid in the pik...it reminds me of what my grandfather was doing and tought me...too bad i dont know what my grandfaTHer's fist is..thats why im planning to go to my hometown and ask my grand uncle just for that and eventually regain our family's heritage...we are iriginally from the xiamen/shishi district...any suggestions? i know our place is famous for dog boxing but its not anything like it
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Post by pitbull on Dec 5, 2004 18:34:28 GMT -5
hey...the guy in the last pic(the one w the studs in the belt) looks a lot like master tan kok wah from HK only that he has hair in the pic..are they the same?
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