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Post by Suhana LIM on Oct 22, 2004 19:26:29 GMT -5
[quote author=Fatman link=board A lot of teachers, particularly in arts like taiji, only teach their arts for health not for fighting. IMO in doing this they lose more than half their art because without the fighting aspect the art is not complete.[/quote] Da jia ni men hao It's very unfortunate that today, most Taiji teachers only stress it as the exercise for health and fitness. While actualy Taiji is also for self defence. Public liability insurance contribute to this Cheers.
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Post by konghan on Oct 23, 2004 0:31:50 GMT -5
In fact most of those who bash kung fu & criticise it as being weak are mostly ring or sparing fighters.
For some reason traditional kung fu has perform very poorly in the ring. San shou training has basically taken away the forms & go straigth to sparing training.
San shou can no longer be identify with any kung fu style although san shou is the sparing version of kung fu in general.
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Post by Suhana LIM on Oct 23, 2004 23:32:05 GMT -5
In fact most of those who bash kung fu & criticise it as being weak are mostly ring or sparing fighters. Konghan ni hao Some people who bashed and criticised kungfu maybe because they never "tasted" the genuine kungfu. And also we cannot forget, with so many MARKETING MASTERS TRANSFORMED THEMSELVES INTO MARTIAL (KUNGFU) MASTERS CONTRIBUTED TO THE DOWNGRADED OF KUNGFU QUALITY. Cheers.
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Post by Eric Ling on Oct 24, 2004 2:57:37 GMT -5
Konghan ni hao Some people who bashed and criticised kungfu maybe because they never "tasted" the genuine kungfu. And also we cannot forget, with so many MARKETING MASTERS TRANSFORMED THEMSELVES INTO MARTIAL (KUNGFU) MASTERS CONTRIBUTED TO THE DOWNGRADED OF KUNGFU QUALITY. Cheers. Hi Suhana, konghan & Pit, Coincidentally, I was with a couple of old teachers (One Siao Lim and one Peho) talking about frauds etc…<br> These are really old Sifus – acknowledged leaders of their respective styles. Their attitude on this issue – expose them. Expose all the cons and frauds who are giving Chinese Kung Fu a bad name. These cons are people who don’t give a hoot about the proud traditions and legacies that we cherish so deeply. To them, it is just an instrument they use to cheat and deceive. To the old Sifus, Kung Fu is more than a recreation. It is part of their identities as Chinese and as individuals – these are folks who will fight to the death to protect their kung fu family’s honor and integrity! Talking to them makes me feel so small after hearing their many life and death encounters. One of the Sifus was saying; it is not hard to weed out the liars. Ask for lineage and everything is verifiable. He went as far as saying that if these frauds were around him, he and his students will challenge them. I know he is not bragging – he did it to many here in the past. Their parting shot is this: it is up to us now. Up to us, the next generation, to stand up and defend the pride of our families. Don’t let other keep on prostituting our legacy.
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Post by konghan on Oct 24, 2004 11:44:47 GMT -5
Hi Suhana, konghan & Pit, Coincidentally, I was with a couple of old teachers (One Siao Lim and one Peho) talking about frauds etc? These are really old Sifus ?acknowledged leaders of their respective styles. Their attitude on this issue ?expose them. Expose all the cons and frauds who are giving Chinese Kung Fu a bad name. These cons are people who don’t give a hoot about the proud traditions and legacies that we cherish so deeply. To them, it is just an instrument they use to cheat and deceive. To the old Sifus, Kung Fu is more than a recreation. It is part of their identities as Chinese and as individuals ?these are folks who will fight to the death to protect their kung fu family’s honor and integrity! Talking to them makes me feel so small after hearing their many life and death encounters. One of the Sifus was saying; it is not hard to weed out the liars. Ask for lineage and everything is verifiable. He went as far as saying that if these frauds were around him, he and his students will challenge them. I know he is not bragging ?he did it to many here in the past. Their parting shot is this: it is up to us now. Up to us, the next generation, to stand up and defend the pride of our families. Don’t let other keep on prostituting our legacy. Now adays with modern civil law suite & the lost of respect to martial art it is not easy to expose or stop fraud. Specially now we see that many martial artist are coming up with their own style because they refuse to abide by traiditional regulation. So far, MT has been very successful in keeping their tradition intack. Sam chien sip di, song sui, double sai, sam chien two person, sai vs 5 ft pole , pole form & chong hap kun si what I'm preparing with my 3 students to be ready to perform at our local parish community this coming chinese new year. Hopefully they'll be ready & it will help introduce to the people in my area here as to what tcma really looks like.
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Post by Suhana LIM on Oct 25, 2004 5:22:20 GMT -5
Da jia ni men hao More and more "masters" understand how to play around. Instead of claiming as the inheritors of the well known and established styles, they will proclaim that they are the founders or creators of the new styles. Thus they can safely put "grandmaster" titles. ;D In some countries, it's a bit difficult to directly confront these "masters", as they can hide behind litigation matters. Cheers.
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Post by nothingness on Oct 25, 2004 11:51:15 GMT -5
One we can do really, is to embarass them in the front of their students. We don't need to hurt them. Just do a "friendly spar" and "fly them around" without really hurting them. Words of mouth spread fast.
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Post by konghan on Oct 25, 2004 12:45:46 GMT -5
One we can do really, is to embarass them in the front of their students. We don't need to hurt them. Just do a "friendly spar" and "fly them around" without really hurting them. Words of mouth spread fast. Another way is to be active is promoting the original, this include participating in public performances, tournaments teaching new students & being active with community association.
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Post by pitbull on Oct 25, 2004 18:14:09 GMT -5
when creating a new style you can simply say that its tought to you by ur grandfather,when they ask where is ur grandfather u can simply answer that his dead!
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Post by Eric Ling on Oct 25, 2004 21:04:42 GMT -5
Hi Guys,
Nin Hao.
The issue is not with starting your own system and awarding yourself titles and ranks.
The issue is stealing intellectual property and plagiarizing.
Take NCK for instance. Everybody knows I am not NCK. If the “demand” for NCK were to rise and I start to cash in by:-
• Teaching my own stuff and calling it NCK • Teaching stuff I copy from book, videos and materials found in NCK websties • Presenting myself as part of a NCK family or lineage even when I am not
How would you feel and react?
This is happening in the martial art world – the problem is severe in my little backyard. I got lowlife like this claiming to be teaching my Ancestral/Whooping Crane when in truth all he has got is 2 cds from me.
I feel that I’ve let my ancestors down by letting scoundrel like this into my White Crane family. But my elders here are willing to let this slide. I guess I’ve learnt my lessons for ignoring my Sifu’s word; be careful who I pass knowledge to.
Anyway, this whole episode is a “blessing’ in disguise. Now I am positive this person unworthy and all he got are CDs of 2 basic forms. Without proper guidance, he is going to end up more “White Chicken” than “White Crane”.
My Si-Hing and I are making sure he will never lay hands on anything more. All our brothers in the other White Crane sects have been fully forewarned about this rascal.
Guys, it is these peoples that I am talking about. People who bring shame to your family.
What would you do?
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Post by Eric Ling on Oct 25, 2004 21:54:33 GMT -5
Another way is to be active is promoting the original, this include participating in public performances, tournaments teaching new students & being active with community association. Hi konghan, Yes you're right. Keep opening up the traditional arts that we know. Let the public view and decide whether they want a Swiss Rolex or copy fake. I think these liars can only go as far as we allow them. Public performance and even seminars/workshops are good in exposure. I got a guy who came all the way from New York to Kuching just so he can study with me. Taking one year off to do this - so there you go. Keep opening up and there will be those who are discerning enough who will come to you.
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Post by Fatman on Oct 25, 2004 22:06:57 GMT -5
Hi Guys, Nin Hao. The issue is not with starting your own system and awarding yourself titles and ranks. The issue is stealing intellectual property and plagiarizing. Take NCK for instance. Everybody knows I am not NCK. If the “demand” for NCK were to rise and I start to cash in by:- • Teaching my own stuff and calling it NCK • Teaching stuff I copy from book, videos and materials found in NCK websties • Presenting myself as part of a NCK family or lineage even when I am not How would you feel and react? This is happening in the martial art world – the problem is severe in my little backyard. I got lowlife like this claiming to be teaching my Ancestral/Whooping Crane when in truth all he has got is 2 cds from me. I feel that I’ve let my ancestors down by letting scoundrel like this into my White Crane family. But my elders here are willing to let this slide. I guess I’ve learnt my lessons for ignoring my Sifu’s word; be careful who I pass knowledge to. Anyway, this whole episode is a “blessing’ in disguise. Now I am positive this person unworthy and all he got are CDs of 2 basic forms. Without proper guidance, he is going to end up more “White Chicken” than “White Crane”. My Si-Hing and I are making sure he will never lay hands on anything more. All our brothers in the other White Crane sects have been fully forewarned about this rascal. Guys, it is these peoples that I am talking about. People who bring shame to your family. What would you do? This is the exact reason why my teacher will not allow us to put any footage of use training or performing forms on the internet, or to share it with anyone we have not personally trained with in NCK. My teacher has made his position very clear. He has told us in the past that if anyone opens a NCK school in our city, then he will go visit them and if they cannot show him anything about NCK that he doesn't already know then he will challenge them. This was partly because an ex-student had attempted to teach NCK without permission but also to make it clear that he would not allow fake NCK teachers to operate in our city. Sort of like a form of quality control
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Post by pitbull on Oct 25, 2004 22:08:55 GMT -5
if he wants a fake roles he should go to pataling street in KL! if i am in authority and i would be faced with something like this then i should act promptley. less someone like him will destry the good name of the art.
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Post by Suhana LIM on Oct 26, 2004 4:54:18 GMT -5
This is the exact reason why my teacher will not allow us to put any footage of use training or performing forms on the internet, or to share it with anyone we have not personally trained with in NCK. My teacher has made his position very clear. He has told us in the past that if anyone opens a NCK school in our city, then he will go visit them and if they cannot show him anything about NCK that he doesn't already know then he will challenge them. This was partly because an ex-student had attempted to teach NCK without permission but also to make it clear that he would not allow fake NCK teachers to operate in our city. Sort of like a form of quality control Fatman ni hao I agree with the idea not "too easily" published certain pictures or video clips in the web. We maybe meant well, but they can be accessed by dishonest individual for their own agenda. Btw, is VIC under your territory? Just curious, because I don't want to be visited by you Cheers.
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Post by konghan on Oct 26, 2004 14:27:19 GMT -5
This is the exact reason why my teacher will not allow us to put any footage of use training or performing forms on the internet, or to share it with anyone we have not personally trained with in NCK. My teacher has made his position very clear. He has told us in the past that if anyone opens a NCK school in our city, then he will go visit them and if they cannot show him anything about NCK that he doesn't already know then he will challenge them. This was partly because an ex-student had attempted to teach NCK without permission but also to make it clear that he would not allow fake NCK teachers to operate in our city. Sort of like a form of quality control In fact traditionally, any martial art school be it kung fu, karate, tae kwan do, hapkido etc. who are aware of proper ettique have this universal martial art courtesy to ask permission or to communicate with an existing martial club within the area before opening a new school. The consultation & visit is a sign of respect if not the action of that new school will be interpreted as an insult & a challenge martial combat.
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