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Post by essence on Nov 9, 2004 9:23:55 GMT -5
I always remember our late Sifu Lo King Hui words in training, " tsut lat! ( put power ), tua lat! ( force power ), tua tiyam! ( strong power ), kiyak lat! ( sink in or tension power ), ngii lat! ( tension power ). Good day konghan and Evert. I hope I am correct in the translation as I am of Hokkien descent. "tsut lat": I assume the Mandarin equivalent to be "chu li" or in English "use/expend strength" "tua lat": There are two meanings to this translation which is dependent on the pronunciation of the words. I assume the Mandarin equivalent to be either "da li" or "tan li" English equivalent would be "big strength" or "bouncing/shooting strength" (shooting as in shooting a rubber band). "kiyak lat": I do not know the Mandarin equivalent for the term "kiyak" and this is really just a guess at best. If, I understand the term correctly, it is "kek lat" in Hokkien which roughly translates to "tense your strength" in English, tensing your muscles. The other phrases, I am afraid, I do not understand and would need to hear the words personally in order to give a translation. Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong. Hope I was of some help. Warmest regards, Tze Hou
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Post by konghan on Nov 9, 2004 11:59:55 GMT -5
Good day konghan and Evert. I hope I am correct in the translation as I am of Hokkien descent. "tsut lat": I assume the Mandarin equivalent to be "chu li" or in English "use/expend strength" "tua lat": There are two meanings to this translation which is dependent on the pronunciation of the words. I assume the Mandarin equivalent to be either "da li" or "tan li" English equivalent would be "big strength" or "bouncing/shooting strength" (shooting as in shooting a rubber band). "kiyak lat": I do not know the Mandarin equivalent for the term "kiyak" and this is really just a guess at best. If, I understand the term correctly, it is "kek lat" in Hokkien which roughly translates to "tense your strength" in English, tensing your muscles. The other phrases, I am afraid, I do not understand and would need to hear the words personally in order to give a translation. Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong. Hope I was of some help. Warmest regards, Tze Hou Yup you got it right, tsut lat = expand power or strength tua lat = big or powerful powewr or strength kiyak or kek lat = tensing power or strength. And all those has to do with muscle conditioning that concentrate on generating proper energy power that would later also develop speed. My late sifu Losiensi always said that one can execute a hundred punches with great speed but the target will still be intact is useless, but one explosive strike is what will make the difference. Liike bow & arrow, an arrow will be useless if the bow is weak. The penetrating ability of an arrow depends on the strength of the bow or the archer, the strength will then produce the speed.
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Post by Fatman on Nov 9, 2004 17:04:30 GMT -5
We must also remember that power and speed are not mutually exclusive. It is possible to have both. From my point of view though, while it is good to have, it is best not to rely too much on speed. As you get older, you lose your speed so you must rely on skill and power.
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Post by Eric Ling on Nov 9, 2004 18:20:43 GMT -5
Old Kung Fu saying my friend :- "Quick, accurate and deadly". Power is a "pre-requisite" if you are aiming at "hard" spots. You don't need to hit very hard when going for eyes, throat, solar plexus, groin, temples and back of head. So the saying is actually telling you to hit these places very quickly and accurately. Do that and you are "deadly". Ever heard of "Ba Dai Ba Bu Dai" ? This is generic and applies to various styles Northern,Southern,Internal and External. There are 8 spots that you hit to disable - ba dai. There are other 8 spots that you hit only if you want to kill - ba bu dai. Seldom mentioned these days in the newer schools. Maybe I will start another thread to discuss this. Thanks.
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Post by pitbull on Nov 9, 2004 20:08:31 GMT -5
there is also 'gao gao di di'
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Post by Suhana LIM on Nov 10, 2004 3:18:47 GMT -5
Old Kung Fu saying my friend :- "Quick, accurate and deadly". Power is a "pre-requisite" if you are aiming at "hard" spots. You don't need to hit very hard when going for eyes, throat, solar plexus, groin, temples and back of head. So the saying is actually telling you to hit these places very quickly and accurately. Do that and you are "deadly". Ever heard of "Ba Dai Ba Bu Dai" ? This is generic and applies to various styles Northern,Southern,Internal and External. There are 8 spots that you hit to disable - ba dai. There are other 8 spots that you hit only if you want to kill - ba bu dai. Seldom mentioned these days in the newer schools. Maybe I will start another thread to discuss this. Thanks. Eric ni hao No, no, no. Don't talk to disable, to kill, deadly. It's always easier to harm, to overpowered our opponents. But at our age, I think we should focus more on how to preserve, how to "defeat" others by softer approach. To destruct is easy, but to maintain and preserve is not. Cheers.
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Post by Suhana LIM on Nov 10, 2004 3:33:58 GMT -5
Sorry you have to pardon me, I can't speak Cantonese & my mandarin sucks. Those words I use are actually fukianese or hokkian dialect. Maybe Suhana can translate them in mandarin for us. TY. Konghan ni hao Too late for me bro But Essence done a good job Kam Sia
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Post by BartmanX911 on Apr 22, 2005 5:35:31 GMT -5
Hi... Power or speed? (My humble opinion) As far as I know power(-effect) comes with speed. As example: Just take the simple straight punch. If we intend in our mind to maximize our power for the punch(before actually doing the punch), most people will start tensioning his muscles and then punch. The puncher will feel "power" in his punch, while actually it hasn't. The problem is that the speed went down, because the counterpart muscles are working against the muscles needed for the fast punch movement. (e.g. biceps are stopping the triceps) That's why, and that's what I've learned from my sifu, I always begin with the relax position, striking as fast as posible forward, and just before the punch is at its maximal range (or impact), tensioning is performed, while breathing fast and hard. This will also cause a whipping effect which will make the hand (and body) retract automatically to the normal guard position after the punch. Just try it... It's a very natural physiological effect. And because in NCK the "power" generation comes from the whole body (feet, hip, a.s.o.) the explosiv power generated, if performed synchronously, sums so big that a professional adept would be able to "kill" with a punch. And one more, the simple combo movement like the triple straight punches as is in "se mun pha kak" will be very fast that they are hard to parry without even sacrificing the so called "power". A question: Have you ever seen a punch that is so fast in the performation and retraction that the opponent reacted after a couple of seconds delaying? It didn't even broke the bones... Call it "chi attack" if you want. ;D Cheers, Marco
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Post by konghan on Apr 22, 2005 8:32:24 GMT -5
The form di sip kun would be the proper form to train on in order to develop that punching power.
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Post by Suhana LIM on Apr 22, 2005 20:19:25 GMT -5
Marco ni hao Selamat bergabung di forum. Kita dari lineage yang sama Cheers.
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Post by Suhana LIM on Apr 22, 2005 20:22:37 GMT -5
Hi... A question: Have you ever seen a punch that is so fast in the performation and retraction that the opponent reacted after a couple of seconds delaying? It didn't even broke the bones... Call it "chi attack" if you want. ;D Cheers, Marco Marco ni hao Regarding your question, is it from the kungfu movie or comic? Cheers.
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Post by BartmanX911 on Apr 23, 2005 3:27:45 GMT -5
Hi... Actually I'm refering to many fight-movies available in tv or internet. ;D One of it is the K1 fight between Ernesto Hoost and Mirko Vilipovic. Hoost faked with a jab to the face, then punched the stomach very fast(in and out). It took about 3 seconds, before Vilipovic had to crouch. Well, images ain't as good as the doc-film itself, but hopefully it could bring some of its charm out... Its always amazing for me eacht time I recognize successfull applied principles of NCK in other martial arts. ;D It gives me a better understanding of NCK more and more... regards, Marco
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Post by Suhana LIM on Apr 23, 2005 19:10:33 GMT -5
Marco ni hao
;D To often what we read from books or see in the martial movies not reflecting the reality what martial arts is.
But the more difficult thing is to tell between the facts and fantasies.
Cheers.
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Post by mickeykh on Apr 26, 2005 6:17:59 GMT -5
It takes 1 years to build speed but takes 10 years to built inner powers....my sifu also stress on the power part....U can't kill a tiger with speed alone....... BUT speed complements power.
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Post by mickeykh on Apr 26, 2005 6:19:40 GMT -5
From my point of view though, while it is good to have, it is best not to rely too much on speed. As you get older, you lose your speed so you must rely on skill and power. Without speed, U can't even hurt a fly.......when we get old, just have to keep doing drills to keep the speed & maintain the power... 1 exercise I recall is to try to catch mosquitoes....it is just so much fun..... my 2 cts worth.
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