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Post by Eric Ling on Nov 8, 2004 2:57:34 GMT -5
$$$$$ = Hardwork + brains + opportunities.
hehehehe ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Suhana LIM on Nov 8, 2004 3:54:04 GMT -5
Da jia ni men hao Develop power first, when you got the power you just have to "reduce" the power and you can increase your speed. Eric, below is the most favourite theory for..... ;D Thick Skin+Biggest Bulls**t=Big $$$$+Fame ;D ;D ;D Cheers.
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Post by SergeTk on Nov 8, 2004 5:48:16 GMT -5
I think speed will win over power just look what happened in Dragon ball Z ;D when trunks fights cell , He’s stronger then cell but 2 slow Also I think that it depends on size of a person obviously bigger people would be stronger but slower, while smaller would be weaker but faster. Another thing why speed in my opinion is more imprtant becuase as you start learning kungfu, power increases faster then speed so its harder to gain speed then power. Speed is also both offensive and defensive, while power mostly offensive.
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Post by Suhana LIM on Nov 8, 2004 6:28:15 GMT -5
I think speed will win over power just look what happened in Dragon ball Z ;D when trunks fights cell , He’s stronger then cell but 2 slow Also I think that it depends on size of a person obviously bigger people would be stronger but slower, while smaller would be weaker but faster. Another thing why speed in my opinion is more imprtant becuase as you start learning kungfu, power increases faster then speed so its harder to gain speed then power. Speed is also both offensive and defensive, while power mostly offensive. Serge Tk ni hao Are you talking about the kungfu cartoon Dragon Ball In NCK, especially from Chua Giok Beng's lineage, POWER is the first important thing we should be able to cultivate and control. Once you have the power, it will be much easier if you want to develop the speed. But if you focus on speed first, it will not be easy to develop power. Regarding body size, it is not too important. As long as you know how to cultivate your power, the smaller person can easily defeat bigger opponent. Cheers.
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Post by Eric Ling on Nov 8, 2004 11:15:32 GMT -5
I think speed will win over power just look what happened in Dragon ball Z ;D when trunks fights cell , He’s stronger then cell but 2 slow Also I think that it depends on size of a person obviously bigger people would be stronger but slower, while smaller would be weaker but faster. Another thing why speed in my opinion is more imprtant becuase as you start learning kungfu, power increases faster then speed so its harder to gain speed then power. Speed is also both offensive and defensive, while power mostly offensive. Aha, very interesting my friend. What determines speed? How do you train to be faster beside familarity with the movements that you are doing?
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Post by SergeTk on Nov 8, 2004 18:29:00 GMT -5
Aha, very interesting my friend. What determines speed? How do you train to be faster beside familarity with the movements that you are doing? Yes pure speed would have 2 be achieved through familiarity of the movement, you could take it even further with doing same thing with weights, but that’s pure speed! Beginners to intermediate level. I think ultimate level of speed is been totally relaxed and having clear mind. Then you don't have to be fast at all. In that state you will be able to control your opponent with minimum effort. To him you will be lightning fast but for those who watch from the side you will look slow. Advanced to master level. I hope one day I will achieve this ability.
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Post by SergeTk on Nov 8, 2004 19:12:50 GMT -5
Serge Tk ni hao Are you talking about the kungfu cartoon Dragon Ball In NCK, especially from Chua Giok Beng's lineage, POWER is the first important thing we should be able to cultivate and control. Once you have the power, it will be much easier if you want to develop the speed. But if you focus on speed first, it will not be easy to develop power. Regarding body size, it is not too important. As long as you know how to cultivate your power, the smaller person can easily defeat bigger opponent. Cheers. Yes kungfu cartoons Dragon ballz and GT! Body does matter. Here is example! You got 2 students one who is 5,10 70kg and other 6,1 100+kg who’s been training for roughly same time and have same skills, then chances of guy who’s 5,11 been able to generate more power is very low. While chances of 6,1 guy been faster then 5,11 guy also low. (There are exceptions). Also I’m not saying power should be sacrificed for speed. We are taught to generate power first, but emphasis on speed comes later. Most advanced techniques taught later so if speed taught after power then speed is more advanced. Also advanced techniques normally include previously learned techniques, so you can't assume that speed doesn't combine power in it! Also Suhana Lim did your speed increased by same ratio, as did your power since you started NCK??
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Post by pitbull on Nov 8, 2004 19:24:38 GMT -5
this is what i found out.. which ever way you go,speed or power,if u cant or dont know how to use any then its worthless...like owning a .357 magnum and not usin the bullets to good use by exterminating the scum of society...the urban cancer we call 'tsao huan'
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Post by Eric Ling on Nov 8, 2004 21:26:46 GMT -5
Hi all, I got a question; what did your Sifu say about speed. In particular, how to achieve speed ? In my White Crane, there are specific movements and even a short "form" designed to build speed. My Sifu taught that speed is linked to "chi". So this "form" is really about traing your "chi" to enhance your speed. The general expression of this in Kung Fu is "Yi Chi Her Chen" (phonetic).
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Post by konghan on Nov 9, 2004 1:22:16 GMT -5
Hi all, I got a question; what did your Sifu say about speed. In particular, how to achieve speed ? In my White Crane, there are specific movements and even a short "form" designed to build speed. My Sifu taught that speed is linked to "chi". So this "form" is really about traing your "chi" to enhance your speed. The general expression of this in Kung Fu is "Yi Chi Her Chen" (phonetic). I always remember our late Sifu Lo King Hui words in training, " tsut lat! ( put power ), tua lat! ( force power ), tua tiyam! ( strong power ), kiyak lat! ( sink in or tension power ), ngii lat! ( tension power ). Its all about power but not just ordinary power but power derive from energy focusing & channeling it properly to the target. With power, speed will come because internal muscle strength will develop that will result in penetrating power.
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Post by Nataraya on Nov 9, 2004 3:10:42 GMT -5
Konghan,
I am trying to translate the technical terms back in cantonese, but fail with that. Is it possible that (anyone) can translate these terms into Mandarin pinyin?
Is lat the same as Li(k)? Further I made a personal disctinction between power (Jin/ Geng) and muscular strength Li/ Lik. But I realize too that there is not really a standard in this, because the term Noi Li is found in many books.
Is Tua Tiyam the same as Gang Jin?
And what is the difference between: kiyak lat! ( sink in or tension power ), ngii lat! ( tension power )?
If you feel that you prefer to discuss this behind a password area, then please say so. Like Eric is stating in previous letters, I can imagine that. In fact we always did work this way before....
Warm regards,
Evert.
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Post by Nataraya on Nov 9, 2004 3:20:45 GMT -5
In our branch relaxation, tension and torquing play an important role. Please realize that i am explaining one quality of power. Also, I am not sure if the word "torquing' is the good athat covers what I really mean. But that's my handicap in understanding the English vocabulary...
Relaxation (Song) is of utmost importancy, because to much tension will certainly restrict speed. There is much more tension in the lower extremities. especially in the calves, especially the rear leg. I would say, compare it with the 100 meter athletes. the springy power comes from the heels, while most weight is put on the forefoot. But it all starts in the lower abdomen region (Yiu Fok), and created a ground reflecting power, then the waist (torquing power) channel it 'extra' over all the other parts of the chain to the hands/ fingers (in this example). personally we are using the nine pearls as philosophy, others the six harmonies, etceteras.
Although I relaized that this is a very rough translation, the idea is presented clearly.
Kind regards,
Evert
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Post by Suhana LIM on Nov 9, 2004 3:41:50 GMT -5
Yes kungfu cartoons Dragon ballz and GT! Also Suhana Lim did your speed increased by same ratio, as did your power since you started NCK?? Serge Tk ni hao In my own experienced, with just reducing the power I can increase the speed. We have special training methods for developing one's power to it's maximum and also how to increasing the speed. But in simple word, by reducing the power you can increase the speed. I don't mean to be rude, but what's the use for executing strikes in a flash without proper power in them. They may hit the target(many times), but don't do maximum harm. I prefer with one strike and we can finish the fight.
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Post by konghan on Nov 9, 2004 8:36:37 GMT -5
Konghan, I am trying to translate the technical terms back in cantonese, but fail with that. Is it possible that (anyone) can translate these terms into Mandarin pinyin? Is lat the same as Li(k)? Further I made a personal disctinction between power (Jin/ Geng) and muscular strength Li/ Lik. But I realize too that there is not really a standard in this, because the term Noi Li is found in many books. Is Tua Tiyam the same as Gang Jin? And what is the difference between: kiyak lat! ( sink in or tension power ), ngii lat! ( tension power )? If you feel that you prefer to discuss this behind a password area, then please say so. Like Eric is stating in previous letters, I can imagine that. In fact we always did work this way before.... Warm regards, Evert. Sorry you have to pardon me, I can't speak Cantonese & my mandarin sucks. Those words I use are actually fukianese or hokkian dialect. Maybe Suhana can translate them in mandarin for us. TY.
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Post by Nataraya on Nov 9, 2004 8:43:09 GMT -5
Thank you Konghan for your reply, I understand.
Then can you please give an example of: "... the difference between: kiyak lat! (sink in or tension power ), ngii lat! ( tension power )?
Kind regards,
Evert.
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