|
Post by Eric Ling on Mar 8, 2005 17:28:56 GMT -5
There is a art called Duan Quan or Short Boxing that was taught at the southern Shaolin Temple i dont know if there is a connection to these other arts and Duan Quan or not . Are we talking Duan Da or "Short hitting" ?
|
|
|
Post by nothingness on Mar 8, 2005 18:00:01 GMT -5
lalalala what are we looking at here? Fukien, Hakka or Cantonese? Maybe you are trying to emphasize on the genericity, but my vote goes to fukkien . Looks like NCK to me.
|
|
Marc
New Member
Posts: 18
|
Post by Marc on Mar 8, 2005 18:21:44 GMT -5
Fukien! The Hakka arts I've seen, in practice, dont pull punches back in alternating fashion, also if they use a starting position, its from the heart (centerline) not the ribs or hips (perimeter), and once the hands are out they stay out. An interesting detail of the stances in the first picture is that the front foot angle seems to be a little outward facing, kind of like the Shuai Jiao stepping Im familiar with.
|
|
|
Post by Eric Ling on Mar 8, 2005 20:37:19 GMT -5
There is a art called Duan Quan or Short Boxing that was taught at the southern Shaolin Temple i dont know if there is a connection to these other arts and Duan Quan or not . The only Duan Quan I know is part of Tam Tui. A Northern style associated with Moslems in China. Never heard of it taught in Southern Shaolin. In Singapore, the only folks to do this were in the Chin Woo Group. A page out of a Duan Quan book in my library.
|
|
|
Post by Firehawk on Mar 8, 2005 20:42:17 GMT -5
Hi Eric it could be Duan Da Short Hitting . The Duan Quan style was mentioned in a magazine article about Hung Gar it said that Hung Hei Gun first learnd Duan Quan from a monk at the Southern Shaolin Temple named Sam Tak , then Hung Hei Gun learned what would be Hung Gar . Robert
|
|
Smee
New Member
Posts: 7
|
Post by Smee on Mar 8, 2005 20:56:10 GMT -5
The only short strike set I've heard of is - "Tun Da" - Short Strike - one of the 10 core sets taught under the name of Bak Siu Lam from Ku Yu Cheong.
Smee
|
|
|
Post by Firehawk on Mar 8, 2005 21:54:02 GMT -5
Eric i found the article in the magazine here is what it says Gee Sin Became the Abbott or spiritual leader of the Fujian Shaolin Temple,refered to as Ji Sihn Daan Si (Zhi Shan Dan Shi).Around 1803 a tea merchant took refuge in the monastary after having an altercation with Ching officials . His name was Jyu Gu-Chah (zhu Cucha) or Tea Merchant Jyu . From an early age he was interested in the fighting skills that were practiced in the monastary but not available to the public . At the monastery he was introduced to the rudiments of the monasterys boxing styles by Monk Saam Dak Woh Seuhng (San De He Shang) after awhile Gee Sin himself took an interest in Jyus training .Jyu was introduced to short boxing (Dyun Kyun/Duan Quan) fighting based upon short and compact movements while employing low stances . This style of fighting was popular in Fujian Province , wich later influenced Fujian White Crane boxing (Baahk Hohk Kyuhn/ Bai Hei Quan ) and Five Ancestors boxing (Ngh Jou Kyuhn / Wu Zu Quan /Ngo Cho Kun ) . The Foundation for short boxing traces back to Da Mos muscle changing classics , wich helps develop the body via isometric movements like tensing the muscles , wich in turn strengthens them . That is what the article has to say about Duan Quan . Robert
|
|
|
Post by nothingness on Mar 8, 2005 22:39:20 GMT -5
The only Duan Quan I know is part of Tam Tui. A Northern style associated with Moslems in China. Never heard of it taught in Southern Shaolin. In Singapore, the only folks to do this were in the Chin Woo Group. A page out of a Duan Quan book in my library. Are my eyes deceiving me or does it look like Bajiquan?
|
|
|
Post by Eric Ling on Mar 9, 2005 3:06:19 GMT -5
Lectory Salutem (hehehe this sounds so cool. Time to impress the chicks - thanks Lau).... Okay a little something from the very Fukien , Fukien Yong Chun White Crane. A portion of "8 parts Inch power" - you can view this form in Martin "the hippie crane" Watts' www.fujianbaihe.comSo is this related to Wing Chun's "inch punch" or any other Hakka short jin system ? Tell me.......
|
|
|
Post by Eric Ling on Mar 9, 2005 3:11:53 GMT -5
Are my eyes deceiving me or does it look like Bajiquan? Having seen both, this is my take :- Techniques-wise they look kinda similar with foot-stomping to switch steps etc etc... Both have got the same stretched out movements. But the major difference is jin expression. Bai Ji is really more "internal" like Hsing Yi or Xin Yi. Duan Quan is very "Tam Tui". Just like in "10 roads" or "12 roads"..........
|
|
|
Post by Eric Ling on Mar 9, 2005 10:35:21 GMT -5
Hi, Some pictures of Southern Hakka Praying Mantis. Remember watching a performance of SPM many years ago in a CKF gathering in Singapore. At that time I just assumed that I was watching some White Crane forms. The single-knuckle, jin expression, right leg advances and rear leg follows footwork and even the body/hand co-ordination all spelled White Crane. It was later that I was told it was Hakka. I guess that was that point that I decided to look closer into Hakka and Fukien systems as coming from the same source. Easier said than done of course. Back in the 70s and 80s, most CKF schools were private establishments. Audience during training was not really encouraged. Even if you do get to watch, you would probably see some basic stuff – nothing too revealing. Printed materials on Hakka boxing was scarce. The only way was to join one of their classes and even this course of action is not a shoo-in. You need to be “recommended”.
|
|
|
Post by TenTigers on Mar 9, 2005 13:48:22 GMT -5
Hey Firehawk, where did you get that article from, and could you print it in its entirety? It says the exact thing I was saying on the SFO forums-and everyone bit my head off! And what year were those pics of "Poo" Yee taken? he looked pretty young there. It would be interesting to see the accompanying article as well.
|
|
|
Post by Firehawk on Mar 9, 2005 14:49:12 GMT -5
Hi TenTigers the Magazine is called Kung Fu /Quigong and that issue has 4 Hung Gar articles in it , its from the mid 1990 s . if i can get my scanner working i will print the whole article .
|
|
|
Post by nothingness on Mar 9, 2005 16:43:46 GMT -5
Among the Southern schools ourselves, aren't there people that are more internal? Isn't is just a variation in the expressions? Do you believe that CMA will grow gradually to be more internal at the higher level?
|
|
|
Post by MorCup on Mar 9, 2005 17:48:47 GMT -5
I think the practitioner will become more internal at a higher level. Seeking out the internal as realisations come to them. I've seen this happen.
Certainly several arts I've had connection with became much more internal at the higher level. Some more so than others.
Also to say a certain style is, for example, Hakka can be a mistake. Just because a style does something that looks similar to another style does not make it that style nor necessarily that there is a connection. We all have 2 arms, 2 legs, a body, and one ugly head.
For what its worth I highly doubt the monk that passed Bak Mei onto CLC was Hakka nor was CLC Hakka. Just because a few of the people who have taught Bak Mei were Hakka does not make the style such. There may be Hakka elements involved because of Hakka sifu adding their own flavor to the style. But a whole system that does not make.
Just my take.
|
|