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Post by TenTigers on Mar 7, 2005 22:11:22 GMT -5
Marc-is the guy in the white from I Liq-Kuen? It looks like he is in the Cheung Yen Monastery, in Carmel, NY. (My wife and I said our vows at he Guan-Yum statue by the lake.) Is there more info on this style? -sorry-didn't mean to hijack.
-Rik
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Post by Firehawk on Mar 7, 2005 22:57:54 GMT -5
When i look at Chow Gar Southern Mantis and Iron Ox Southern Mantis forms the first thing i think of is Fukien White Crane . A strange thing is that in Hung Fa Yi Wing Chun they have a form called Som Bo Gin that Southern Mantis has too how the Som Bo Gin form came to be part of Hung Fa Yi Wing Chun i have not been able to figure out . Robert
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Post by Marc on Mar 7, 2005 23:23:06 GMT -5
Ni Hao Ten TIgers Yes, the guy in white is Hakka from Malaysia and lives in New York now. His father created I Liq Kuen from a variety of Hakka styles. He himself has created two forms for this system and has aligned it with Tai Chi and Chan philosophy. Here's his website: iliqchuan.org/ |
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Post by Marc on Mar 7, 2005 23:36:12 GMT -5
Hi Firehawk, I do know Garett Gee learned more than Wing Chun, his father was a Fu Family Wu Dang system practitioner and I know Garrett spent time here in NYC. Have you seen their 3 step arrow? It may tell you exactly who taught it to him ;D
On another thought do any of you also think Sam Chien and Sam Bo Chin are related? I've seen both Chow Ga and Jook Lum versions as well as Got Tzu (Ngo Cho- 5 Ancestor) varriations and I think we have a definate Hakka-Fukien connection.
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Post by nothingness on Mar 8, 2005 3:35:52 GMT -5
The NCK sifu in white clothing has movements really similar with what I do. Do you what lineage he is from? For me it looks like somebody from the Singapore/Sim's line (pardon me if I am wrong).
I am a little be pondered. The sequence is a bit different. Shouldn't pic 1 should be switched with pic 3?
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Post by softforce on Mar 8, 2005 5:58:38 GMT -5
Greetings,
That first form in the thread is tung jee kuen from the yau kung mun system. It is usually the first form taught and it was created by the late great grandmaster Ha Hon Hung from a combination of choy lee fut, hung gar and bak mei. The form was taught to the Chinese army during the Japanese invasion. The moves are simple, practical and well suited for use on the battlefield while wearing heavy equipment and moving on bad terrain. It has three stances and punches but utilizes phoenix eyes, leg sweeps, throws, take downs, arm breaks and is a very useful fighting form. A lot of non-hakka systems have these stances and moves as well. It uses circles and the force is to punch through the heart. It uses fau, chum, tung, tou, loose shoulders and generates a springy, shocking type of force. The form helps to loosen the joints as well. The body posture displayed in those pictures is not representative of how the form is really played.
Regards
Softforce
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Post by Suhana LIM on Mar 8, 2005 6:03:39 GMT -5
Greetings, That first form in the thread is tung jee kuen from the yau kung mun system. It is usually the first form taught and it was created by the late great grandmaster Ha Hon Hung from a combination of choy lee fut, hung gar and bak mei. The form was taught to the Chinese army during the Japanese invasion. The moves are simple, practical and well suited for use on the battlefield while wearing heavy equipment and moving on bad terrain. It has three stances and punches but utilizes phoenix eyes, leg sweeps, throws, take downs, arm breaks and is a very useful fighting form. A lot of non-hakka systems have these stances and moves as well. It uses circles and the force is to punch through the heart. It uses fau, chum, tung, tou, loose shoulders and generates a springy, shocking type of force. The form helps to loosen the joints as well. The body posture displayed in those pictures is not representative of how the form is really played. Regards Softforce [/quote Softcore ni hao Nice to know you and warm welcome to the forum.  Would you mind telling us about yourself? Cheers. |
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Post by softforce on Mar 8, 2005 6:34:52 GMT -5
Dear Mr. Lim,
Thank you for the warm welcome!
I studied yau kung mun under Sifu Jen in Sydney Australia for a few years before moving abroad to Denmark. I also have a background in wing chun and I am currently studying yang style taijiquan.
Kind regards
Rob
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Post by Eric Ling on Mar 8, 2005 9:04:37 GMT -5
Oookay folks, Some pictures of Fukien White Crane.....ooops I mean Chow Gar Tong Long. Anyway, you know the point I am trying to make. Am I crazy?  |
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Post by Eric Ling on Mar 8, 2005 9:11:17 GMT -5
Dear Mr. Lim, Thank you for the warm welcome! I studied yau kung mun under Sifu Jen in Sydney Australia for a few years before moving abroad to Denmark. I also have a background in wing chun and I am currently studying yang style taijiquan. Kind regards Rob Hi Rob, Welcome to this little forum. Hmmm YKM and Softcore, what's the story? Regards. Eric Ling |
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Post by softforce on Mar 8, 2005 9:28:51 GMT -5
Mr. Ling, Thank you for the welcome. Haha, I am afraid I cannot tell you the story of "softcore" and YKM. Maybe, even though I registered under the name "softforce" (as in "yau kung"), the previous poster felt that I am too soft at my core and therefore decided to call me "softcore" instead? |
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Post by Eric Ling on Mar 8, 2005 9:59:48 GMT -5
Folks, Stupid questions from me; any of you Hakka players use the "5 elements" concept in your training ? When you do swallowing/splitting, do you talk about sinking one part of the body and swallowing another? For instance, hand "swallowing" and legs "spitting" within one technique ? Do you train to attack your opponent according to his swallowing/splittlng ? Be kind, I am really only a drinking landscaper trying to figure things out ..............  |
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Post by MorCup on Mar 8, 2005 11:00:53 GMT -5
5 element theory - yes, destruction cycle - for looking at targets for multiple strike combos/techniques within the forms.
To all the rest - no
Usually I look at the gate I or they are attacking (high, middle, or low) and if its inside or outside - that generally dictates the technique. In training of course. In fighting it is no mind and all depends on the situation at hand.
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Post by Eric Ling on Mar 8, 2005 17:18:37 GMT -5
lalalala what are we looking at here? Fukien, Hakka or Cantonese?  |
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Post by Firehawk on Mar 8, 2005 17:21:00 GMT -5
There is a art called Duan Quan or Short Boxing that was taught at the southern Shaolin Temple i dont know if there is a connection to these other arts and Duan Quan or not .
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