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Post by Eric Ling on Mar 4, 2005 18:55:52 GMT -5
as I write this, I've not gone over to the link you provided, so I'll limit my comment to the picture you posted, above. Presuming that you're speaking of the fellow in the middle, there, Yes, my old physics instructor could do that, I"m sure. I could too. No big deal. Now, emerging from that unscathed is a completely different matter. BTW, that Carlsberg sound's good! Rob Cheers!!
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Post by Eric Ling on Mar 5, 2005 10:28:30 GMT -5
Another San Chin "chi" demo.
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Post by Eric Ling on Mar 5, 2005 10:50:38 GMT -5
Mike, You asked about Chinese San Chin or Sam Chiem (3 battles), well there are many different versions done by various Southern Fukien Kung Fu. I got a version of White Crane Sam Chiem here.
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Post by olddragon on Mar 5, 2005 16:24:57 GMT -5
This version looks pretty close, do you know anything about the lessons in this form?
Mike
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Post by Eric Ling on Mar 5, 2005 17:35:11 GMT -5
This version looks pretty close, do you know anything about the lessons in this form? Mike Since this version is from the 5 Ancestors' line, I thought it might be appropriate to use the following text taken from a Japanese 5 Ancestor's website:- SAM CHIEN FORM Sam Chien simply means three wars. In general, the target purpose of the sam chien is to develop Ngo Ki Lat(5 powers). -Using the hidden Lohan technique, we will be able to use the Chi of the lower tan-tien by jerking-trembling stomach and hips using special twisting-footwork movement.This is called the "Falat" power.What Bruce lee-one-inch-punch has ever shown was a perfect example of this methods. -Using the hidden White Crane(PeiHo) methods, one could understand the secret of whipping of power as the only way to transfer the power which have been generated using the Lohan Methods from the tan tien to the hips,hips to the shoulder,shoulder to the elbow and forearms and finally reach the wrist joint and to be exploded in the knuckle.In simple words, it is called the "joint-lock" power. - Using the Tai zu(thay co) methods, one can move by sliding the foot really fast to deliver the explosive punch/kick without losing its forces.There are also a technique called the Zig-Zag footwork which should be used against attack from the Indoor gate. - Using the Kao kun principle, it gives the praticioner an agility in handling any attacks. - Using The TatChun Methods which originally came from Bodidharma(TaMo) and was called Si Sue Ching(Marrow Bone Washing Excercise), one would be able to maximize/amplify the force which has been generated using lohan method and transfered using the white crane, by using some secret method of breathing exercise through the tension of 5 part of the body.
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Post by olddragon on Mar 5, 2005 22:42:18 GMT -5
Since this version is from the 5 Ancestors' line, I thought it might be appropriate to use the following text taken from a Japanese 5 Ancestor's website:- SAM CHIEN FORM Sam Chien simply means three wars. In general, the target purpose of the sam chien is to develop Ngo Ki Lat(5 powers). -Using the hidden Lohan technique, we will be able to use the Chi of the lower tan-tien by jerking-trembling stomach and hips using special twisting-footwork movement.This is called the "Falat" power.What Bruce lee-one-inch-punch has ever shown was a perfect example of this methods. -Using the hidden White Crane(PeiHo) methods, one could understand the secret of whipping of power as the only way to transfer the power which have been generated using the Lohan Methods from the tan tien to the hips,hips to the shoulder,shoulder to the elbow and forearms and finally reach the wrist joint and to be exploded in the knuckle.In simple words, it is called the "joint-lock" power. - Using the Tai zu(thay co) methods, one can move by sliding the foot really fast to deliver the explosive punch/kick without losing its forces.There are also a technique called the Zig-Zag footwork which should be used against attack from the Indoor gate. - Using the Kao kun principle, it gives the praticioner an agility in handling any attacks. - Using The TatChun Methods which originally came from Bodidharma(TaMo) and was called Si Sue Ching(Marrow Bone Washing Excercise), one would be able to maximize/amplify the force which has been generated using lohan method and transfered using the white crane, by using some secret method of breathing exercise through the tension of 5 part of the body. Mikes Lessons. Sanchin translated is "Three battles" Sanchin teaches several things 1. Development of chinquichi, or Ki through the cultivation of proper breathing and proper body mechanics. Part of the proper body mechanics is hip action. 2. Sanchin teaches how to generate power by a similar method as you refer to as "joint lock" by establishing a link from the heel to the fist in much the same manner as you speak of. The tan tien is the centre of balance. 3. Foot work is done in a circular motion. 4. Sanchin is done with tension and deep breathing. Tan tien is the centre of balance and considered to be the key to sanchin. This sounds quite similar. If we consider that during this slow isometric exercise we impliment locking forward of the hip, at the point of impact. In studying this kata there have been many drills developed. During the drills of Sanchin, Pushing or blocking away from the body, one is compared to "drilling" into the ground, thereby twisting the hip, This is done with a very definite breath that comes from the tan tien area so to speak. During a punch the hip is locked forward, the body erect. Expansion and contraction of the muscles in unison with breathing is very important. I am aware that some styles study sanchin as an exercise with little focus on combat, many okinawan styles have a kata that serves this purpose. that is not to say it has no combative value, on the contrary. But each style has its focus and some focus more on the imporvement of Ki or chinquichi with this kata than combat. Others use different kata for that purpose and study the combat applications of this one. The combat applications of Sanchin are both circular in defense and linear in attack, utilzing the hip to allow for a shorter stance. By shortening the stance from the standard long front stance of many Okinawan and Japanese styles it allows for more hip movement in both a locking forward (gamaku generation of power) and rotational locking (chinquichi) At least this is how it looks. The actual definition is a slight bit different but For me to explain it with my limited skills without demonstration is hard to do. The rotation is not overly emphasized. The stance is narrow, the toes slightly in, the spine erect. Does this sound like a similar lesson? To me it does and therefore warrants looking at closer. That does not mean that they are direct desandants, but somewhere along the line they were connected. Sanchin in both cultures was used to develop explosive power, that could be directed to what ever part of the body the individual desired. So somewhere there is a connection with this particular kata, which style it came from I am afraid that I do not have enough knowledge of the individual Kung Fu styles to make that determination. Mike
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Post by CEB on Mar 9, 2005 12:05:32 GMT -5
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Post by Kosokun on Mar 9, 2005 12:37:06 GMT -5
I believe that's Kanbun Uechi performing the Uechi/Pan gai noon ryu Sanchin. Rob
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Post by CEB on Mar 9, 2005 12:41:55 GMT -5
Yes it is but remember on Jeopardy all answers must given in the form of a question. ;D
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Post by CEB on Mar 9, 2005 13:45:53 GMT -5
Man I'm sorry Rob. I swear the brain doesn't work well anymore, maybe its the eyes. They say the mind is the second thing that goes. The video was Kanei son of Kanbun. But yes it Uechi Sanchin. 36 13
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Post by gwilliams on Mar 9, 2005 14:33:43 GMT -5
Hi Ed, Rob, I love old films like that. I have several of Kuniba doing kata and one of Kano doing randori with his student. What a laugh...everytime the student tries to throw Kano, Kano jumps really high, shifts his weight in the air, then throws the poor guy in a flash when he lands. The jumping is not a bad tactic. When Takizawa used to kumite with us and we would charge him, he'd jump really high and to the rear slightly, then skip forward and nail us with gyakuzuki as we tried to compensate for his surprise tactic. In my old tournament days, I got a lot of mileage out of jumping high and coming down on the opponent with a tate zuki. It eliminated his quick flippy counter kicks. It was all about points, anyway, but I always felt that technique would work against a single opponent in the street. Now, I think it might be easier just to tackle him. Anyway, good to be talking with you guys again. Gene
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Post by olddragon on Mar 10, 2005 0:50:27 GMT -5
Now is this the same Gene Williams of Goju fame?
Mike
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Post by gwilliams on Mar 10, 2005 5:51:19 GMT -5
Hi, No, this is the Gene Williams of Motobu-ha Shi To ryu fame ;D
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