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Post by Nataraya on Feb 6, 2005 4:34:00 GMT -5
I did read a thread on SFO about one of the pillars of martial arts: Die Da Ke. I thought suddenly about all the grandmasters that were both great healers as well as great teachers. Therefore I decided to take some time to make a "collage", of one late grandmaster that I respect tremendously. I hope you enjoy the compilation: Much can be said about this great teacher. Maybe someone is willing to start searching and compiling? Warm regards, Evert.
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Post by Nataraya on Feb 6, 2005 5:17:46 GMT -5
Ingrediënt number: 6. Major characteristics: Du Huo releases the exterior and strongly dispels wind-damp obstructions. Du Huo primarily treats the lower body but is often combined with Qiang Huo (Rx. et Rz Notopterygii ªÊ ¡ ) to treat the entire body. Information from a different source: 1.Dispelling wind, resolving dampness and relieving pain To treat arthralgia due to wind and dampness, with heaviness of lumbar regions and lower limbs, it is often used with Ramulus Loranthi, Radix Gentianae Macrophyllae, Radix Achyranthis Bidentatae, etc. The drug can produce the effect of treating wind in the interior of the lower portion of the human body, so it is suitable to be used in treating arthralgia of the muscles and joints in the lower portion. General note: Good quality is thick, glistening, and aromatic. Nature of Du Huo is warm. Important to balance a recipes. For instance adding this in a 3rd stage use, due to its warming quality.
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Post by small on Feb 7, 2005 12:19:16 GMT -5
Hello Evert,
With Dit Da Jow(s), how many times can or should you re-use the ingredients? Can or should you combine them with fresh ingredients?
Thank you for sharing. My wife is in the final year of her PHD in Microbiology / Immunology. She does, on occasion, express interest in studying and analyzing the bush medicine from the Bahamas. Her background is in techniques that measure gene expression. Do you have an interest in remedies from other cultures?
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Post by Nataraya on Feb 7, 2005 13:16:02 GMT -5
Hello Chris,
I hardly use the soaked Herbs for a second time, it is rather cheap AND I keep them in sometimes for years. My teacher used it mostly twice, but in the second batch he used lesser amount of alcohol.
Aging process – depending if it is broken parts or powder – need to be soaked for at least a half moon. But generally one full moon is okay. The temperature should be constantly, and if possible around the 10 degrees Celcius, if possible in a dark area. Some teachers burry the jars in the ground…….
As I said, I have a batch at home (stage 2 wine) that is for 2 ½ years right now. Nice black and stinky. A very good excuse to sleep in the crises-room at home, hahahaha. This wine is so strong, and might be too strong for some skin, but we will see. You can always bring the quality down with some Vodka, but I prefer strong!
The world of Herbology is beautiful, and there is still a world to discover. Every time I read that they find powerful species (poison of a Amazon frog), that have a great potency on a disease, I feel happy. I have some books about Indonesia and Brazilian Shaman, focused on Herbology. In front of me a book: “The last of the Medicine Men”, Benedict Allen. BBC, 2000. ISBN: 0-563-55121-6 A nice book to read about several cultures, and there medicine.
My student Justin Ehrlich bought recently a book that’s very close to the way we practice Die Da Ke in our branch. Didn’t see or read it yet, but according to Justin (who is professional healer) is this book one of the Die Da books he has read. I will ask for the title.
I focus mainly on Chinese Herbology, with an accent on Traumatology. I can use it in our rehabilitation center with fresh wounds (amputations for instance). Once you see the effect, then you become a believer of this old tradition. I was very lucky to be accepted in a lineage full of healers……..
I am looking forward to material as used in other cultures, especially in the art of Herbology. Thank you very much for your reply Chris.
Warm regards,
Evert.
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Post by Nataraya on Feb 8, 2005 9:25:41 GMT -5
I was able to view - over the last years - some very nice material of tapes, as spread by Paul Withrod. Between the several theme's you will find material about; Diem Mak, Die Da Ke, forms and applications, Hei Kung, etceteras. I forget one, but the late grandmaster Ip Shui did show some Wafu on a Western student, painting with a brush words on/ above the skin. I can advise any practitioner of Traditional martial arts, to observe some of this branch of Boxing. Warm regards, Evert.
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Post by small on Feb 9, 2005 14:18:41 GMT -5
Evert,
Thank you for sharing. I appreciate it.
Dit Jow is great stuff. I would bathe in it if I could. I like the smell of our Jow, but my wife (all women as far as I can tell,) cannot tolerate it at all. You can still smell if after several showers.
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Post by Nataraya on Feb 11, 2005 12:41:20 GMT -5
An ingredient of which we can say a lot. Observing the ingredient might give you an impression of the purpose of it. This ingredient is found a lot in Die Da recipes! Ingredient number: 19 in the Lohan recipes. Nature: Cold. Meridians: Spleen, Heart, Liver Dosage: 5 –10 gram Major Characteristics: This is a wingless thingyroach. Eupolyphaga has a very strong influence on the Blood and is used to treat severe Blood stasis, often when the patient cannot tolerate palpation in the area.. It breaks up Blood stasis while simultaneously stimulating circulation to help clear extravasated Blood. It also relaxes the sinews, alleviates pain, and helps promote healing and clears Heat. It is a rather common ingredient in Die Da Ke. Preparation Notes: Dry-Frying after soaking in vinegar will give a stronger affect. Contra Indication: Pregnancy. Greetings, Evert.
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Post by mickeykh on Feb 14, 2005 5:30:10 GMT -5
Hi Evert
Congrats on your sharing these.. I am also an avid believer in the art of healing. I strongly believe that anyone including 2 yrs old can hurt anyone & anywhere BUT to heal that hurt is not what anyone can do. I am influenced by by sisuk Lim who died in 1997 same year as my sifu, Sisuk Lim never learn a single MA move but his healing skills is parallel to none in CMA in S'pore ( he was taught by Sigung GaoSum. I was facinated when he heal all my injuries like taking panadol & I grew stronger ever under sifu & sisuk care. I only learn pittance & would value any opportunities to enhance my knowledge in the art of healing.
A senior's quote " it is easier to hurt but harder to heal"
Regards Micke
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Post by Nataraya on Feb 14, 2005 6:22:55 GMT -5
Just like “first help” should be necessary in martial arts schools, Die Da Ke should be there too, IMHO. In the two Chinese branches/ systems that I have practiced since 1976, was Die Da orientated. Then it was rather a special skill, hardly any pharmacies to buy those herbs. Later, it became much more common. I was able to study TCM, and so was available to buy most herbs. The pharmacies saw my ID, and I could buy the most toxic herbs I wanted.
In 1999 I spoke with Sifu Jie (Pak Mei) again, and the discussion was about Die Da too. For a none Chinese it is hard to study this, unless you are familiar with Chinese. I was lucky that I can read and decipher complex Chinese characters. Also that my student Justin (California – San Diego), asked me to teach him Die Da. So I did my best to improve notes and text on paper. In return Justin helped me in creating a unique database of Die Da ingredients.
The art of Hit medicine is just like martial arts, or music. Every opponent you fight different and every accord (in music) can lead to a different sound. The best healing is based upon ‘personal’ issue. You measure his dys-balance and try to create a nice chorography of ingredients. In the following up treatments you keep working on that ‘basic’ formula and balance the current stage of his body again.
So, a Sifu do not need to be an accomplished TCM healer. With nine formulas, and the will to let other specialist judge eventual ‘tissue’ damage, you can run a school very well. If I can trigger the reader to start looking in their own family recipes, then I am pleased. If they need help for analyzing their product, I can help them. For me it is a matter of putting in some ingredients and a complete analyze paper, runs out of the print.
Thank you for your reply, and enjoy the art.
Warm regards,
Evert.
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Post by Nataraya on Feb 17, 2005 10:06:11 GMT -5
****************************************************** Today a very important [Die Da] Herb, found in many External, as well Internal formulas Pharmaceutical Name: Radix Angelicae Dahuricae Botanical Name: 1. Angelica dahurica (Fisch. ex Hoffm.) Benth. et Hook. f.; 2. Angelica dauburica (Fisch. ex Hoffm.) Benth. et Hook. f. var. formosana (Boiss.) Shan et Yuan Preperation: The root is dug in the period between summer and autumn, when the leaves turn yellow. The fibrous roots are removed, dried, soaked in water and cut into slices. Functions: 1. To expel wind and release the exterior; 2. To reduce swelling and discharge pus and dampness; 3. To stop pain. Indications: Headache, particularly pain in the forehead, and stuffed nose due to colds; sinusitis; toothache; excessive leukorrhea; swelling and pain of sores and wounds. Dosage 3-10 g Warm regards, Evert
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Post by TenTigers on Feb 17, 2005 10:59:53 GMT -5
The roachy thingy-I believe it's called gun to but in Cantonese-always intrigued me. I always wondered. who was the first guy to discover its uses, and how? What would make sombody grab one of those things and place it on a wound in the first place? I have this image of a guy with an injury, and another guy just running around grabbing things, "Here put this on it Howz that? No good? ok, ok, try this! No? Ok how about this? Still nothing? Hmmmm, hey put this bug on it!" I have a book on Chinese Herbology and one of the "herbs" was the clear urine of pre-pubescent boys. I don't even wanna KNOW how they found that one.-Probably was discovered by a catholic missionary.
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Post by Nataraya on Feb 17, 2005 11:49:41 GMT -5
TT, I can imagine your thoughts about this. But there is more going on, then you might think off. Somewhere in my replies I did talk about symbolics ans associations. My Chinese professors did talk often about this. Just imagine, someone break a bone and you grab a thno horn and put it on..... Or catch a poison snake and put it on, centipede, etcxeteras. Who think about using 'burned hair'.
I can go on and on, but this have a deeper meaning. Find it strange, but the way of thinking is NOT crazy at all. Or maybe I need to say, not always that crazy.
My advise, try to think about the (eventual) similarities. Then we understand that the Eagle Claws work better for the hands/ forearm, then Chicken Claws. That the skin of a thingyroach, can have a symbolical meaning for skin & bones. These are small examples, and far from complete. Please take this in consideration, that's all.
In the near future, I will present clips of making Die Da Jow, Poultices, Balm and cutting power. Just simple 'first help' things which iare really usefull.
Two years ago, I was playing the Mui Fa 'Ji Mo Do', in San Diego. Cayce and Justin were looking while I was doing the form with full intent. After the finishing salute, Cayce came to me and grab my elbow. I was bleeding quite a bit, and a nice hole, didn'ty notice anything. We treat it with Die Da powder and poultices. I could continue training, surfing on the sea and it healed wonderful. For this kind of injuries the art of Hit Medicine (Fall & Beat Medicine) is great.
Greetings,
Evert.
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Post by mickeykh on Feb 18, 2005 5:38:10 GMT -5
U can be assureed I am 100% chinese literate & can read alot of chinese names..... ;D
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Post by konghan on Feb 22, 2005 15:18:52 GMT -5
One thing I notice when it comes to comparing between western and chinese medicine is that chinese medicine are more on healing, strengthening and prevention. Healing like, against blood stasis, improve blood circulation, improve bone healing, strengthening of muscle tendons, preventing blood cloting and etc.
Western medicine is more on pain reliever and going through major medical operation. Ex. dislocation of major joints, western medicine after resetting the joint would put it in a cast then give pain killers for the patient. In chinese medicine after reduction and resetting of the bone herbs that would help in healing and make the bone and nerves stronger as well as to give circulation is prescribe.
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Post by diligentmantis on Feb 23, 2005 7:11:36 GMT -5
Hi Kong han , It seems that Chinese medicine treats the cause and western medicine treats the symptoms. in some cases but not all.
Evert do you find it easy to get the chinese herbs? Here in london the they will not sell a lot of the herbs to western people. Therefore its hard for us to get the herbs to make the Dit da jow.
sean
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