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Post by nothingness on Oct 16, 2004 5:11:11 GMT -5
Evert,
Do you know any good Hong Jia masters in Southern California area? I just want to visit and see the similarities and differences of WZQ with it.
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Post by Nataraya on Oct 16, 2004 6:15:40 GMT -5
Dear Nothingness,
Great, my student is teaching in San Diego, in Balbao park and the Taoist Sanctuary. His student Joe Hsu is teaching a beginnersclass.
Further I have colleagues and friends in Encinitas, L.A. and San Fransisco. So tell me where are you heading to?
The best option is San Diego, because there you can observe and discuss our system in detail. They are able to show you forms and systems like: Yau Lung Pa kwa, Tit Sin Kuen, Shiu lam Wing Chun,... But Justin is also practyicing Chen style Tai Chi with Chen Wangxiang. Grandmaster's Chen advanced student Bill Helm is director of the Taoist Sanctuary. Also Dragon Boxing in the Parc, some GREAT Tai Chi, Choy Lee Fut, Mok Ga,.....
If you want, you will have the time of your life over there.
Tell me and I will write introduction letters for you my friend,
Warm regards,
Evert.
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Post by pitbull on Oct 23, 2004 8:03:18 GMT -5
i was approached by one of our malaysian hung kuen friends while i was in china...they asked what kind og angga i was doing...he did some movements from my kata(sam chien 12) and said this looked very much like ang ga..i told him its NCK and its miles away from ang gar hehehe the sam chien horse also made him to beleive that i am doing some kind of higher ang gar kata...just wanted to share...many styles look alike :-) even when developed in parallel evolution
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Post by Suhana LIM on Oct 23, 2004 23:23:36 GMT -5
i was approached by one of our malaysian hung kuen friends while i was in china...they asked what kind og angga i was doing...he did some movements from my kata(sam chien 12) and said this looked very much like ang ga..i told him its NCK and its miles away from ang gar hehehe the sam chien horse also made him to beleive that i am doing some kind of higher ang gar kata...just wanted to share...many styles look alike :-) even when developed in parallel evolution Da jia ni men hao All Chinese styles, both Internal and External, come from the same roots. If a style does not share the roots, then it is not a Chinese martial style.This root is the Chinese culture. Throughout the world, various civilazations have created many different arts, each one of them based on the civilazation's cultural background. Therefore, it does not matter which style we are talking or discussing; as long as it was created in China, it must contain virtues, and the knowledge of traditional fighting techniques which have been passed down for thousand of years. Cheers.
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Post by Nataraya on Oct 29, 2004 10:25:23 GMT -5
From the archives of Harvard university.......
Iron Wire Fist(Tit Sin Kuen) Author: Wu Lup Fung (disciple of Lam Sai Wing)
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At the end of the Ching dynasty, there were two Buddhist temples famous for martial arts in Canton, Guong Hao temple and Hoi Tong temple. Many monks in these temples were very skillful in GongFu. At that time, Tit Kue Sam has not yet become a monk, but he was living in one of the temples. He was fortunate to have learned Gong Fu from the monk Zui Chi. Later Tit Kue Sam became very famous in the Gong Fu circle. Every one knew he had real Shaolin Gong Fu. He was most famous for the Iron Wire Fist form. He regarded it as his best secret and taught only very few people in his life.
Lum Fuk Sing learned the Iron Wire Fist from Tit Kue Sam. He was also skillful in using the rope dart. Lum Fuk Sing was a recluse. He kept his skills to himself and was not interested in fame. Sometimes he demonstrated his GongFu on the streets to make a living. One day when he was demonstrating the rope dart in front of a store, a guy dashed out of a narrow street and got hit by the rope dart accidentally. The local people got angry at Lum Fuk Sing and started a quarrel. Wong Kay Ying and his son Wong Fay Hong happened to pass by. They helped Lum Fuk Sing resolve the problem. Fuk Sing was very grateful and taught the secrets of Iron Wire Fist to them. Although my sifu Lum Sai Wing was the disciple of Wong Fay Hong, he didn't learn the Iron Wire Fist until fifteen years after he became a disciple. Sifu thought the old masters were too secretive and wanted to spread his Gong Fu to benefit society. He taught everything openly . Many people learned Gong Fu from Lum Sai Wing, but not many learned the Iron Wire Fist. I am afraid such a treasure gets lost. That's why I am writing this article to explain all the principles and secrets. Hopefully it will help spread Gong Fu and make people healthier. The Iron Wire Fist improves blood circulation and muscular strength. It exercises all the internal organs, muscles, nerves, and removes toxins generated by the body. At the same time, the Iron Wire Fist emphasizes breathing techniques. It strengthens the lung, which leads to strengthening all the internal organs.
All physical movements are controlled by the brain. Practicing the Iron Wire Fist enhances the ability of the brain to control all internal organs, thus strengthening the nervous system. All beginners of the Iron Wire Fist must have determination for success. At the beginning stage, don't pay too much attention to the correctness of movements. Practice as much as you can. When you reach a certain level, you can feel whether your movements are correct or not, because all the breathing and movements are natural.
1. Because the movements are natural, the muscles and the nerves get proper exercise. The body becomes naturally strong as a result.
2. The different sounds emitted during the form exercises the internal organs. It is difficult to exercise internal organs just doing physical movements. Only sound can produce vibrations to stimulate internal organs and develop internal strength.
3. Proper breathing can help Chi circulation connecting the meridians. It also helps improve blood circulation.
4. Coordinating movement, sound and breathing corresponds with coordinating internal organs, muscles, and blood circulation. This makes the body very healthy and can prevent diseases.
5. Deep breathing in fresh air before practicing the form makes practice more effective.
6. Correspondence between the different sounds, five elements and the internal organs:
a. heart: fire, the sound is "yik", the associated property is fierce b. liver: wood, the sound is "tik", the associated property is hard c. pancreas: earth, the sound is "mng"(use the nose), the associated property is heavy d. lung: gold, the sound is "tee", the associated property is light e. kidney: water, the sound is "haa", the associated property is secretive f. small intestine, the sound is "kit", connected to the heart, the associated emotion is happy g. gall bladder, the sound is "zaa", connected to the liver, the associated emotion is angry h. stomach, the sound is "horr", connected to the pancreas, the associated emotion is worry i. large intestine, the sound is "hut", connected to the lung, the associated emotion is sad j. bladder, the sound is "yah", connected to the kidney, the associated emotion is scared
7. The key to all movements lies in conflict. If you want to move first be quiet. If you want to release first retract. If you want to press down first lift up. If you want to go to the left first go to the right. When you move, everything inside and outside, your body, mind intent, spirit, Chi, blood, all move together. There should not be any stalemate.
The Iron Wire Fist adopts the Yee Jee Kim Yong Stance. This posture aligns the vertebrate in to the correct position. It can adjust the misaligned joints on the vertebrate. This is vital in improving health.
The 12 principles(12 bridges) and explainations: 1. Gong(hard): Gong belongs to Yang. Gong has form(as opposed to Yao, which is formless). It builds a strong body to resist all outside attacks. The bones are Gong. Too much Gong is not good because Yin and Yang has to be balanced, so there should always be some Yao in Gong.
2. Yao(soft): Yao belongs to Yin. Yao is formless. Yao should be used in actual combat. The muscles and skin are Yao. Yao should also be balanced by Gong.
3. Bik(close): When closing in the opponent, use Bik to find opening for attack. If the opponent is strong then avoid his attack and follow in, if the opponent is weak then find an opening and go in.
4. Jik(straight): Jik means straight, extend. It's used to train the power in fingers, wrists, heels, toes and ankles. Power comes from the waist and connects with the limbs.
5. Fun(separate): Fun is used to ward off an attack. Fun is used to divide the opponent's forces or his attention.
6. Ding(immobile): Ding means taciturn. Your concentration is absolute and you wait for the opponent in calmness. Ding is used to wait for the opponent's attack, and then respond accordingly.
7. Chuen(inch): Your posture, hand and leg position should always be correct to the smallest measurement. Chuen also includes short power issued by the fingers.
8. Tei(lift): Tei is used for defence. Be watchful for surprise attacks. All bridge hands moving from low to high belongs to Tei. The power comes from the stances for all such moves.
9. Lau(stay): the opposite of Lau is Fong(release) When you attack, don't release all the way, but don't retain too much either. There should be a balance between Lau and Fong. Lau also refers to the transition from one move to the next. There is a small interval when you are static, but not stagnant.
10. Wun(move): Wun means movements. The spirit, mind intent, Chi, strength, hand, eye, waist, leg all should be coordinated when they move.
11. Jai(stop): Stifle the opponent's attack. Jai refers to all blocks and parries.
12. Ding(test) Test the opponent and judge his strength and weakness before you set up a strategy to defeat him. Ding is used to set up a battle plan according to the situation and your judgment
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Post by Eric Ling on Oct 29, 2004 10:43:35 GMT -5
Errrh Evert,
Are you sure you are not Chinese?
;D ;D ;D
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Post by nothingness on Oct 29, 2004 11:11:30 GMT -5
Greetings:
Could you possibly trace a Hong Jia master who went to Surakarta (Solo), Indonesia? If he still lived now, he would be around 100-110.
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Post by essence on Nov 3, 2004 13:12:14 GMT -5
Good day everyone. I am very grateful for the piece of information you have posted Evert, it is most insightful, especially the application of the 12 bridges.
I have been looking for Hung Gar for over 10 years, and came across 2 masters in Singapore, who unfortunately, have stopped teaching Hung Gar to teach Tai Chi.
Fortunately, I have found a Sifu here in Australia, someone who I feel teaches me the essentials of Hung Gar. However, I am only a temporary resident in Brisbane, and having only practiced Hung Gar for 1 year, I know I have not even begun to scratch at the tip of the style.
It is people like you, who are doing Hung Gar justice, by giving out accurate and good information which can help in my practice.
I need you to help me clarify one thing though. In my Sifu's curriculum, we are not taught Gung Gee Fook Fu Kuen as the first set. Now, I understand this to be the basis, the foundation of Hung Gar. However, I believe my lineage is from GM Chan Hon Chung, and I have been taught Lohan as my basic set. The second set I have learnt is Moi Fa Kuen and the third set which I will be taught is Lau Gar Kuen.
Now, from discussions in Southern Fist Online (the Hung Gar forum you referred to in a previous post), I realise that the Lau Gar Kuen is not related to Lau Gar at all? If so, where did this form come from? And why is it included in Hung Gar?
On another note, and not meaning to be rude, as I may have to depart Australia one day to return to Singapore and I feel so connected to this style that I feel it would be a waste to give up on it. If anyone knows of anyone in Singapore teaching this style, could you kindly let me know? If you do not want to post this up, could you kindly send me a private message?
Warmest regards.
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Post by Nataraya on Nov 3, 2004 15:42:59 GMT -5
In Singapore there is the: Lin Nam pugulistic gymnasium. Their lineage is: Lam Sai Wing - Sung Siu Bo - Sung Chiu yuen - Fong Din Man and the current teacher Kong Yean Heong Sifu. One of the Sihings is a friend I did communicate with, his name is: Chan Chun Hou. The material I have seen is very solid and good Hung Kuen. I can strongly advise this branch/ school.
In the folder there is a name like Bishan community Club Dragon and Lion dance. maybe this helps? Sorry, I could not find an address.
Starting with Lo Han is good. Mui Fa Kuen is solid while Lau Ga belongs also to the novice area. What counts for Hung Kuen articles, count for Lau Ga too. The Lam family have a different story, okay with me. Just read it, and later it will find a definite spot somewhere in your own model. I am afraid that that's the martial arts world too.
Use the Search machine of forums, and read it all. By the way, I did several replies on SFO too. Under the name Nataraya. Feel free to read them and ask eventual specific questions. Also explained about Lau Ga Kuen in our branch, with loads of historical material in it.
Enjoy your martial path, because it is truly fascinating.
warm regards,
Evert.
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Post by pitbull on Nov 3, 2004 19:56:42 GMT -5
i know of one in johor baru,met them recently...but its across the border from sing though
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Post by essence on Nov 4, 2004 0:09:30 GMT -5
In Singapore there is the: Lin Nam pugulistic gymnasium. Their lineage is: Lam Sai Wing - Sung Siu Bo - Sung Chiu yuen - Fong Din Man and the current teacher Kong Yean Heong Sifu. One of the Sihings is a friend I did communicate with, his name is: Chan Chun Hou. The material I have seen is very solid and good Hung Kuen. I can strongly advise this branch/ school. In the folder there is a name like Bishan community Club Dragon and Lion dance. maybe this helps? Sorry, I could not find an address. Starting with Lo Han is good. Mui Fa Kuen is solid while Lau Ga belongs also to the novice area. What counts for Hung Kuen articles, count for Lau Ga too. The Lam family have a different story, okay with me. Just read it, and later it will find a definite spot somewhere in your own model. I am afraid that that's the martial arts world too. Use the Search machine of forums, and read it all. By the way, I did several replies on SFO too. Under the name Nataraya. Feel free to read them and ask eventual specific questions. Also explained about Lau Ga Kuen in our branch, with loads of historical material in it. Enjoy your martial path, because it is truly fascinating. warm regards, Evert. Hi Evert, Thank you for that piece of information. I plan to study Hung Gar for as long as I live and hopefully, will be able to help others in their martial pursuits like you are doing. Once again, thank you. Warmest regards.
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Post by essence on Nov 4, 2004 0:10:58 GMT -5
i know of one in johor baru,met them recently...but its across the border from sing though Hi pitbull, If worse comes to worse, I will not mind heading twice a week into J.B. for training. If it comes to that, I will need you to tell me where. Warmest regards.
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Post by pitbull on Nov 4, 2004 0:15:33 GMT -5
ok,no problem,i still have their calling card...they are a big HG org there...you also mention that you study with chong hwa...do you know master alex loh?
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Post by essence on Nov 4, 2004 0:22:49 GMT -5
ok,no problem,i still have their calling card...they are a big HG org there...you also mention that you study with chong hwa...do you know master alex loh? Hi pitbull, There are 3 Chong Hwas in Singapore, although all 3 are the same thing, only my branch played the Green Lion (besides End Beng). I did not get to know the elders by their English names, all of them I called uncle (as one of them was my friend's father), but I do know their common name or nicknames. Warmest regards.
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Post by Hungfist on Nov 5, 2004 20:58:57 GMT -5
Do you know any good Hong Jia masters in Southern California area? I just want to visit and see the similarities and differences of WZQ with it. I may be a bit late on this, but Buck Sam Kong has a kwoon in Los Angeles. His site is here www.bucksamkongkungfu.com/home.html
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