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Post by Suhana LIM on Mar 11, 2005 18:26:50 GMT -5
Da jia ni men hao Another important, and of course interesting, to share with you all. Kung Fu is demanding. It requires the full attention and participation of mind and body. Elements such as patience, perseverance, Yi (mind intent), strength, flexibility, and qi are essential in developing one's kungfu skills. Another less obvious element seems to be lacking in many people's practice, however. Many practitioners don't have a clear idea of what they are trying to achieve. Perhaps you've met a practitioner who is really kungfu crazy. He has studied many kungfu styles over 10 or 20 years, following half a dozen instructors in a quest to become an expert. Kungfu is deeply rooted in his life. He practices several hours a day, has a large collection of kungfu books and magazines, weapons and training equipments. Perhaps he even knows how to speak or read Chinese. He knows 50 to 100 different forms and 25 ways to counterattack a side kick. he attends and performs at various kungfu demonstrations, helps his instructor teach, or even has his own school. On the surface, this person would appear to be proficient in kungfu. But when you probe further, you find a crucial element is missing. For all his years of training and collection of kungfu knowledge, he cannot actually demonstrate what he knows. He cannot convert his vast knowledge into practical application. Given the fighting is the bottom line of kungfu, this is a serious problem..... ...... A common misconception is that the more philosophy, forms, and techniques you know, the better your kungfu. Some instructors teach dozens of forms and techniques, certain that they possess the real treasures of kungfu. The various forms they practice appear to be different, but all have the same taste........ .......Knowledge is certainly important, but if you don't go beyond accumulating forms, techniques, and styles, it means nothing as a martial art. It's like a person who knows everything about swimming but has never been in the water...... ........A practitioner who learns only a few forms and techniques, but has the ability to make practical use of his knowledge, is certainly better off than the student who learns fifty forms but cannot implement the correct techniques usage. Source: Page 102 - 104 The Sword Polisher's Record - The Way of Kung- Fu. By Adam Hsu ISBN 0 -8048-3138-6 Cheers.
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Post by nothingness on Mar 11, 2005 18:33:23 GMT -5
The learning circle accoding to nothingness, a pilgrim in life:
First stage, accumulating. Adding and learning as much as possible.
Second stage, shaving. Shaving all uneccessary junks.
Third stage, creating. Getting the essence, creating a new knowledge based on everything we know.
The moving force between the stages is the experience. When the circle is complete, a new circle starts. Everything becomes nothing again.
Such is life. What is a progress? Alas, I am only dancing.
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Post by Eric Ling on Mar 11, 2005 18:42:13 GMT -5
Da jia ni men hao Another important, and of course interesting, to share with you all. Kung Fu is demanding. It requires the full attention and participation of mind and body. Elements such as patience, perseverance, Yi (mind intent), strength, flexibility, and qi are essential in developing one's kungfu skills. Another less obvious element seems to be lacking in many people's practice, however. Many practitioners don't have a clear idea of what they are trying to achieve. Perhaps you've met a practitioner who is really kungfu crazy. He has studied many kungfu styles over 10 or 20 years, following half a dozen instructors in a quest to become an expert. Kungfu is deeply rooted in his life. He practices several hours a day, has a large collection of kungfu books and magazines, weapons and training equipments. Perhaps he even knows how to speak or read Chinese. He knows 50 to 100 different forms and 25 ways to counterattack a side kick. he attends and performs at various kungfu demonstrations, helps his instructor teach, or even has his own school. On the surface, this person would appear to be proficient in kungfu. But when you probe further, you find a crucial element is missing. For all his years of training and collection of kungfu knowledge, he cannot actually demonstrate what he knows. He cannot convert his vast knowledge into practical application. Given the fighting is the bottom line of kungfu, this is a serious problem..... ...... A common misconception is that the more philosophy, forms, and techniques you know, the better your kungfu. Some instructors teach dozens of forms and techniques, certain that they possess the real treasures of kungfu. The various forms they practice appear to be different, but all have the same taste........ .......Knowledge is certainly important, but if you don't go beyond accumulating forms, techniques, and styles, it means nothing as a martial art. It's like a person who knows everything about swimming but has never been in the water...... ........A practitioner who learns only a few forms and techniques, but has the ability to make practical use of his knowledge, is certainly better off than the student who learns fifty forms but cannot implement the correct techniques usage. Source: Page 102 - 104 The Sword Polisher's Record - The Way of Kung- Fu. By Adam Hsu ISBN 0 -8048-3138-6 Cheers. This is so interesting; Adam Hsu who is in his 50s or early 60s do these styles:- Chang Quan: Long Fist Style Mizong Quan: Lost Track Style Tai Zhu Chang Quan: Tai Zhu Long Fist Tang Lang Quan: Praying Mantis Style Pi Gua Zhang: Splitting Deflecting Style Ba Ji Quan: Eight Infinite Style Chen Style Tai Chi Chuan: Grand Ultimate Style Ba Gua Zhang: Eight Trigram Style Xing-I Quan: Mind Intent Style Info from his website.
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Post by nothingness on Mar 11, 2005 18:44:48 GMT -5
A very close resemblance to that comic, "Kenji."
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Post by Suhana LIM on Mar 11, 2005 18:49:05 GMT -5
The learning circle accoding to nothingness, a pilgrim in life: Such is life. What is a progress? Alas, I am only dancing. Nothingness ni hao Currently, we have reality show called "Dancing With The Stars." It seems "who you are" than "what you can." is more benefited the contestants Cheers.
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Post by Smee on Mar 11, 2005 18:56:32 GMT -5
Hi Eric
I think Adam Hsu actually acknowledges his own apparent hypocrisy in another chapter of the Sword Polisher's Record and states that he should have followed his own advice.
When I was younger I used to want to learn more forms, more forms, more forms. Now that I know more forms, I want to focus on less forms.
Smee
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Post by Suhana LIM on Mar 11, 2005 19:00:38 GMT -5
Hi Eric I think Adam Hsu actually acknowledges his own apparent hypocrisy in another chapter of the Sword Polisher's Record and states that he should have followed his own advice. Smee Da jia ni men hao Regarding Adam Hsu, I am not in the position to comment about his personality. One thing for sure, I agree on what he pointed out in the book. Cheers.
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Post by Eric Ling on Mar 11, 2005 19:01:32 GMT -5
This is so interesting; Adam Hsu who is in his 50s or early 60s do these styles:- Chang Quan: Long Fist Style Mizong Quan: Lost Track Style Tai Zhu Chang Quan: Tai Zhu Long Fist Tang Lang Quan: Praying Mantis Style Pi Gua Zhang: Splitting Deflecting Style Ba Ji Quan: Eight Infinite Style Chen Style Tai Chi Chuan: Grand Ultimate Style Ba Gua Zhang: Eight Trigram Style Xing-I Quan: Mind Intent Style Info from his website. So Miss Suhana, Using your theory that you so kindly shared with all members; Let's assume Mr. Hse started Kung Fu training the day after he was born, he is now a Master of 9 styles. So that would make him 9 X 15 = 135 year olds. 15 years according to you to master one style. He listed 9 styles and he must be a Master of all of them right? How else could you explain writing a book to talk about the evil of learning too much if you are not already a Master of everything you claimed? Any clarifications from you would be very much appreciated Miss Suhana....
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Post by Suhana LIM on Mar 11, 2005 19:02:00 GMT -5
Hi Eric When I was younger I used to want to learn more forms, more forms, more forms. Now that I know more forms, I want to focus on less forms. Smee Smee ni hao 100% correct Cheers.
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Post by TenTigers on Mar 11, 2005 19:06:05 GMT -5
A former teacher of mine really had no faith in his Gung-Fu. First, he did Hung-Ga, then he added Wing Chun,then he heard about Southern Mantis being the greatest thing since the wheel, then it was Bot Gua, now, he wants to learn San-Da. Had he simply stayed in one art, and worked it to perfection, he would achieve mastery. There is no magic pill, no silver bullet. Just hard work. -Why else would they call it Gung-Fu?
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Post by Suhana LIM on Mar 11, 2005 19:06:10 GMT -5
So Miss Suhana, Using your theory that you so kindly shared with all members; Let's assume Mr. Hse started Kung Fu training the day after he was born, he is now a Master of 9 styles. So that would make him 9 X 15 = 135 year olds. 15 years according to you to master one style. He listed 9 styles and he must be a Master of all of them right? How else could you explain writing a book to talk about the evil of learning too much if you are not already a Master of everything you claimed? Any clarifications from you would be very much appreciated Miss Suhana.... Miss Eric ni hao I've pointed out that on earlier post regarding Adam Hsu. But try to read the book yourself before making any judgement is better. Cheers.
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Post by Eric Ling on Mar 11, 2005 19:06:52 GMT -5
Da jia ni men hao Regarding Adam Hsu, I am not in the position to comment about his personality. One thing for sure, I agree on what he pointed out in the book. Cheers. tsk tsk tsk - agreeing with a hyprocite? Ms Suhana, please be more careful when you do your "cut ant paste". This teashop tries it's best to serve good quality tea.
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Post by Eric Ling on Mar 11, 2005 19:08:01 GMT -5
Miss Eric ni hao I've pointed out that on earlier post regarding Adam Hsu. But try to read the book yourself before making any judgement is better. Cheers. Read his books , seen him in action and even touched hands with some of his students when I was teaching in the US..... Wrong tea..........
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Post by Suhana LIM on Mar 11, 2005 19:13:29 GMT -5
Read his books , seen him in action and even touched hands with some of his students when I was teaching in the US..... Wrong tea.......... Miss Eric ni hao I see, if you have met him in person and even touched hands , then I believe you 200 % So in your opinion and experience, he is a phony? Cheers.
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Post by Suhana LIM on Mar 11, 2005 19:16:04 GMT -5
Ms Suhana, please be more careful when you do your "cut ant paste". This teashop tries it's best to serve good quality tea. Miss Eric ni hao I'm sorry if you think I've done a lousy "tea" by "cut and paste". I just thought that it's fine to cut and paste Cheers.
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