|
Post by Suhana LIM on Feb 3, 2005 3:55:41 GMT -5
Hi folks, Sorry to be harping on the same topic but being one of the “creators” of this forum, I feel that it is my job to set out-of-bound markers to ensure civilized interactions. Evert is the co-creator. I trust Evert.enough to know that he has the highest reverence for Chinese Kung Fu regardless of styles. Personally, I think if there are more Everts around, traditional Chinese Kung Fu will keep going. His knowledge of CKF is overwhelming as far as I am concerned. Let me reiterate this; I will not be impertinent to any of my Ancestors or Seniors. Suhana, you might have misconstrued with the “Carlsberg” thingy. I got to admit that maybe this thread is the wrong place for 2 friends to be ribbing one another. For that I apologize again. Really what you read is just 2 friends having a bit of fun. Maybe poor choice of place to do it. And if I did indeed offend anyone, please accept my humble apology. Thank you. Da jia ni men hao I have stated my humble and honest view regarding putting the jokes as the comment for grandmasters pictures. And please don't get me wrong and be offended, cause I know we have different interpretation of respecting the seniors /elders. My sincere apology if my previous posting spoiled your sense of humors. Cheers.
|
|
|
Post by Suhana LIM on Feb 4, 2005 19:11:25 GMT -5
Okay, back to the topic. Like the Yum - yeung discussion, there are still practitioners who want to face things black/ white. That's I know some prefer it this way. Yum & yeung walks hand in it. There are no Black and white, but only grey scales. Warm regards, Evert. Evert ni hao Pardon me, but I don't get the above statement Mind to explain more, especially on the "grey scales." Appreciate your assistance. Cheers.
|
|
|
Post by Nataraya on Feb 5, 2005 3:37:14 GMT -5
Dear Suhana,
Structuring chaos can be done by classification; left-right, good - bad, internal – external, etceteras. Let’s say the Yin & Yang classification. Nothing wrong with this in first instance, but this is NOT what the classics are saying/ stating. There is no Yin without Yang, and vice versa. My Black & White statement had to deal with the Yin & Yang statement, a nice example how many people looks at colours (?). Mix Black and White and create a 1000 tints of grey scales. Some are darker, some are lighter. My observation is that some of us like to talk in terms of black and white. In which you will miss a lot of interesting lessons for your self.
This is one the reasons why I jumped in the “old masters physicals” thread. But I also could have it done in the “best of “ thread. I can show the tiny build grandmasters, but also the heavy build grandmasters ones and even more all the physical constitution in between. Meaning; why thinking Black – White?
I just took two examples, but I can speak of many other threads. Sometimes you need to make a statement to ‘emphasize’ a thing. I remember that a few months we talked about this aspect. Si, I leave it with this clarification of ‘grey- scales’.
Warm Regards,
Evert.
|
|
|
Post by Suhana LIM on Feb 6, 2005 4:24:15 GMT -5
Dear Suhana, Structuring chaos can be done by classification; left-right, good - bad, internal – external, etceteras. Let’s say the Yin & Yang classification. Nothing wrong with this in first instance, but this is NOT what the classics are saying/ stating. There is no Yin without Yang, and vice versa. My Black & White statement had to deal with the Yin & Yang statement, a nice example how many people looks at colours (?). Mix Black and White and create a 1000 tints of grey scales. Some are darker, some are lighter. My observation is that some of us like to talk in terms of black and white. In which you will miss a lot of interesting lessons for your self. This is one the reasons why I jumped in the “old masters physicals” thread. But I also could have it done in the “best of “ thread. I can show the tiny build grandmasters, but also the heavy build grandmasters ones and even more all the physical constitution in between. Meaning; why thinking Black – White? I just took two examples, but I can speak of many other threads. Sometimes you need to make a statement to ‘emphasize’ a thing. I remember that a few months we talked about this aspect. Si, I leave it with this clarification of ‘grey- scales’. Warm Regards, Evert.[/quote Evert ni hao From wu-chi comes t'ai chi. When t'ai-chi moves, it creates YANG. When movement reaches its extremes, stillness emerges. In stillness, YIN is born. Thus, movement and stillness follow each other. Yin and Yang, stillness and movements form the force of creation. From yang and yin are created wu hsing (the elements wood, fire, earth, metal, and water.) From the properties of the wu hsing and the essence of wu-chi emerges generatives energy. From Ch'ien, male is born. From K'un, female is born. The union of ch'ien and k'un gives rise to the ten thousand myriad things. This is the description of the origin of things. Yin and yang is always complement each other, one can not exist without the other. Without morning there will be no evening, without hot we will not know there is cold. If we always healthy, how can we know the meaning of sick? Cheers.
|
|
|
Post by Nataraya on Feb 6, 2005 4:42:14 GMT -5
Dear Suhana,
We have both understandings of the same philosophy. I am drowned in it, yet my diagnoses might be different then yours? What you mighty lable as Yang, I might say I don't agree and label it as Yin. It might seems that we are having a problem here because the reader might interprete this as opposite opinions. And this is what I am traying to say, we might be MUCH closer to an agreement as these "WORDS" (Yin - Yang) might express. Really this is all,.....not hard to understand I hope.
Don't waste your time in digging up the theories, I worked with them every second in my life. It's life......
Sorry that I spent so much time in not willing to talk of opposites.
Warm regards,
Evert
|
|
|
Post by Suhana LIM on Feb 6, 2005 4:55:40 GMT -5
Dear Suhana, We have both understandings of the same philosophy. I am drowned in it, yet my diagnoses might be different then yours? What you mighty lable as Yang, I might say I don't agree and label it as Yin. It might seems that we are having a problem here because the reader might interprete this as opposite opinions. And this is what I am traying to say, we might be MUCH closer to an agreement as these "WORDS" (Yin - Yang) might express. Really this is all,.....not hard to understand I hope. Don't waste your time in digging up the theories, I worked with them every second in my life. It's life...... Sorry that I spent so much time in not willing to talk of opposites. Warm regards, Evert Evert ni hao No, I don't waste my time on the thing that you called as "theories" at all. Like yourself, I use that "theories" every second as well in this case for feng shui. I am sure you know that all Chinese arts are based on the same principles (or "theories" in your term), which are Qi, Yin Yang , and Wu Hsing. So as long as we practising the Chinese arts, we can't escape from this "theories." Cheers.
|
|
|
Post by Nataraya on Feb 6, 2005 5:06:22 GMT -5
Suhana, Ni hao
We agree more then you might expect, believe me. I am a professional healer in daily life, diagnozing every day patients and 'balance' there bodies. The old Chinese traditional arts/ philosophy belongs to my daily tools. Treating with acupuncture, Die Da, Heikung, you mention it. "A way of Life".
Warm regards,
Evert
|
|
|
Post by Suhana LIM on Feb 6, 2005 5:17:27 GMT -5
Suhana, Ni hao We agree more then you might expect, believe me. I am a professional healer in daily life, diagnozing every day patients and 'balance' there bodies. The old Chinese traditional arts/ philosophy belongs to my daily tools. Treating with acupuncture, Die Da, Heikung, you mention it. "A way of Life". Warm regards, Evert[/quote Evert ni hao Hmmm, so all the "theories" are your "way of life" as well. Then you should know why some people like to use black white approach and some prefer grey scale approach. In feng shui, we help people balancing their four pillars, and surrounding. So they can have a better quality in all aspects of their life (health, relationship, career, etc.) I guess both of us deal with these "theories" every second. Cheers.
|
|
|
Post by Suhana LIM on Feb 6, 2005 5:23:12 GMT -5
Evert ni hao
If a person with plenty water elemet in his four pillars, is it a high possibility of him to suffer kidneys problem? TIA.
Cheers.
|
|
|
Post by Nataraya on Feb 6, 2005 5:47:48 GMT -5
Our healing path is a matter of looking, feeling, smelling and experience. Many ways investigate problems. Eyes, skin, urine, joints and way of movement. All these reflects the mental stage too and will speak about his ‘current’ situation. Every hour/ day, the condition change, searching for a balance. We intervene and observe direction of healing. No way you can mask symptoms for us, we will find out. Can we heal? I don’t think we can heal, but we show direction to a new balance. Interaction between patient and healer, together with the body signs, will lead to stopping treatments.
Just like martial arts, we show direction, but the student face resistance and need to learn from that. Recognition of signs (and symptoms) will lead to ‘Rome’. Which path we take depends upon “his” decisions. The shortest path doesn’t need to be the best path, by the way.
To make the circle round again, with a different thread. Many healers, many interpretations, many options. No ultimate healer, patient or system………..
I hope I was able to answer your question enough? I can not make a diagnose out of a text, we need to have a patient and have a look in their eyes. Kidneys can handle a lot of water, that’s what they are made for. But you have water and water. And let’s not talk about Kidneys and kidneys. Let me feel the pulse and I will tell you much more about the person in question, and all the four pillars. That;s the way we work. Maybe you can work from text, we can't do that. r to be more precisely, I can't analyse from one sentence.
Warm regards,
Evert.
|
|
|
Post by Suhana LIM on Feb 7, 2005 3:21:03 GMT -5
Evert ni hao
Thanks for the introduction of your "way of life." We use and work based on the same principles, but our approach and interpretation not similar. Like you mentioned before, what you think Yin might be Yang for me and vice versa. I see it black, you look it as grey, and so on. Fair enough, that's life and everyone is different.
Cheers.
|
|