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Post by nothingness on Nov 4, 2004 20:41:53 GMT -5
Let's start this discussion:
"Don't start a fight. Use only your skills for a self-defense situation. You'll be penalized if I catch you street fighting."
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"How do we know the effectiveness of our arts if we never try it in a real situation. Sparring is very limited."
There is no right or wrong answer, but it is fun to have this kind of exercise.
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Post by pitbull on Nov 4, 2004 20:56:56 GMT -5
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Post by pitbull on Nov 4, 2004 21:07:22 GMT -5
PS: when you live in a crazy and depressed neighborhood...you can get into streetfights more often than not...this is my case and i am dead tired of where i live...
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Post by CStephens on Nov 4, 2004 21:27:00 GMT -5
Let's start this discussion: "Don't start a fight. Use only your skills for a self-defense situation. You'll be penalized if I catch you street fighting." versus "How do we know the effectiveness of our arts if we never try it in a real situation. Sparring is very limited." There is no right or wrong answer, but it is fun to have this kind of exercise. I apologize if I misunderstand, but are you suggesting there is a similarity between sparring and street fighting? Or are you pointing out the moral differences therein? |
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Post by Fatman on Nov 4, 2004 23:12:33 GMT -5
I think the best solution is to try and make your sparring as close to the real thing as possible. To get involved in a real street fight for the sake of training is irresponsible and dangerous. The idea is to train for the situation while minimising the dangers.
Put it this way, when the army trains its infantry in patrolling and skirmish skills, it does not start a war to do so, nor does it hand over live ammunition to two opposing forces and let them fight it out. It runs drills and simulations and tries to make them as realistic as possible.
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Post by Suhana LIM on Nov 5, 2004 3:55:56 GMT -5
Da jia ni men hao In the past, nearly every evening my suheng and I always went out for "patrolling." We used motorcycle in the neighbourhoods where thugs hang around. Especially near the traffic lights. We worn watches and other jewelleries. This was to attract the criminals attention. Most of the time we could gave them "bitter lessons."  But once we almost got killed by a group of thugs, lucky enough we still could escaped the scene.  Sometimes we were lucky, we encountered a robber or pickpocket being mobbed. In that sittuation, we always trained our "cheng" and "siang kak kun." To think back, I have to admit that the action we did was very risky and stupid. But at that time, we were much younger and our adrenalin were so high. We wanted to put into practice the stuffs we"ve trained. But I don't think nowadays we can easily involved in street fighting just because we want to practice what we've learned. We will get into deep trouble. Cheers. |
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Post by nothingness on Nov 6, 2004 17:41:33 GMT -5
I apologize if I misunderstand, but are you suggesting there is a similarity between sparring and street fighting? Or are you pointing out the moral differences therein? I am trying to contradict "real world experience will enhance your skills" versus "don't use your MA skills for malicious purposes." |
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Post by essence on Nov 12, 2004 10:43:43 GMT -5
Good day everybody.
I believe good fighters evolve their skills through constant scuffles in the street. A sparring session, although good to instill techniques and application, would be hard-pressed to mimic the emotions and mental state experienced in a real-life fight situation. Bruce Lee and William Cheung, it was said, honed their martial abilities on the streets.
That said, I wish I never have to get into a fight in the streets. I would not like to put myself into a situation where I could be injured nor would I want to do harm to others. I guess the more I train and the more I realise the harm that will happen through the application of techniques, the more I want to walk away from a confrontation.
Warmest regards,
Tze Hou
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Post by pitbull on Nov 12, 2004 19:57:22 GMT -5
essence: thats very true!!! u will be amazed at how u get strong when u face danger...when i am cornered...i have only 1 thing in mind 'if a mouse gets cornered,it will bite' how much more a human. its survival....plus i have a personality that doesnt yield...i also borrow my ferocity in these situation when i think of my dogs...seeing them kill prey gives me an idea of what ferocity should be...i love terriers  |
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Post by Suhana LIM on Nov 12, 2004 20:02:10 GMT -5
Good day everybody. That said, I wish I never have to get into a fight in the streets. I would not like to put myself into a situation where I could be injured nor would I want to do harm to others. I guess the more I train and the more I realise the harm that will happen through the application of techniques, the more I want to walk away from a confrontation. Warmest regards, Tze Hou Tze Hou What a wonderful thinking. Very true, the more we understand the arts, the more we "restricted" ourselves to use it for a fight. My sifu always adviced us not to be easily involved in a fight. He constantly reminded us that THE ULTIMATE GOAL OF TRAINING KUNGFU IS TO NEVER USE OUR KUNGFU FOR ANYTHING THAT DOES NOT ENRICH LIFE OR PROMOTE WELL BEING. But at those days, we only took that advice lightly, and we always tried to find reasons to "practiced" what we have trained outside bukoan. Now as we are not young anymore, we are becoming aware and understand what our sifu meant by his advice at that time. Cheers. |
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Post by essence on Nov 12, 2004 23:18:16 GMT -5
essence: thats very true!!! u will be amazed at how u get strong when u face danger...when i am cornered...i have only 1 thing in mind 'if a mouse gets cornered,it will bite' how much more a human. its survival....plus i have a personality that doesnt yield...i also borrow my ferocity in these situation when i think of my dogs...seeing them kill prey gives me an idea of what ferocity should be...i love terriers Good day pitbull. I assume you are talking of pitbull terriers? I love those dogs, I feel they are misunderstood and a victim of society. I do not feel that anything is born with the "heart" to kill and maim but they are conditioned to do so. A victim of man and now, victimised by man. Being cornered is the trigger for adrenaline and anger (survival instinct), and during such rushes the individual does demonstrate and increase in strength. Many books I have read regarding defense talks about these situations. They stress the ability to harness the anger and adrenaline to be able to overcome the situation. However, I wish nobody has to get into that position. It is not a nice situation to be in and there are physical and legal consequences for all party involved. But if one finds oneself in that situation, it is comforting to know you are able to defend yourself. Warmest regards, Tze Hou |
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Post by essence on Nov 12, 2004 23:26:32 GMT -5
Tze Hou What a wonderful thinking. Very true, the more we understand the arts, the more we "restricted" ourselves to use it for a fight. My sifu always adviced us not to be easily involved in a fight. He constantly reminded us that THE ULTIMATE GOAL OF TRAINING KUNGFU IS TO NEVER USE OUR KUNGFU FOR ANYTHING THAT DOES NOT ENRICH LIFE OR PROMOTE WELL BEING. But at those days, we only took that advice lightly, and we always tried to find reasons to "practiced" what we have trained outside bukoan. Now as we are not young anymore, we are becoming aware and understand what our sifu meant by his advice at that time. Cheers. Good day Suhana. Those advice also fell on deaf ears in my case. I never once thought about what it means when I was younger. I always thought "I know kung fu, so you better watch out". I think it is a process of growing up both physically and mentally and within the martial aspect of the art. One starts to appreciate life more. There is also a real danger of going out to "practice" your skills. You never know what the enemy has, he might be a "taller mountain". All the elders I have encountered have always taught me to be humble. They always said "It is better to have and keep quiet." I suppose, it wasn't until I in my twenties that the meaning of that really set in, and now, I never openly tell people I practice kung fu, except for the people I trust. Warmest regards, Tze Hou |
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Post by Suhana LIM on Nov 13, 2004 21:56:52 GMT -5
Da jia ni men hao The following is an old story, which some of you might have heard. The moral of this story is very good. In China, Chi Hsing Tzu, who was a disciple of Lao Tzu, wrote a story on the subject of fighting rooster. There once was a King who was determined to own a champion fighting rooster, and he asked one of his subject to train one for him. The man began by teaching the rooster all the techniques of combat. After ten days, the King asked,"Can I organise a fight for this rooster?" The trainer said,"Certainly not! He's strong enough,yes; but his strength is empty, hot air; he wants to fight all the time, he's over excited, he has no endurance." Ten days later the King again asked the trainer,"Now can I organise a fight?" "No,no, not yet. He's still too fierce, he's still looking for a fight all the time. Whenever he hears another rooster crowing, even in the next village, he flies into a rage and wants to fight." Another ten days of training, and the King made his request a third time. "Now is it possible?" The trainer replied, "Well, he no longer flies into a passion now, he remains calm when he hears another rooster crowing. His posture is good, and he has a lot of power in reserve. He has stopped losing his temper all the time. Looking at him, you aren't even aware of his energy and strength." "So we can go ahead with the fight?" asked the King. The trainer said,"Maybe." So a great many fighting rooster were assambled and the tournament began. But no bird would come anywhere near that one. They all ran away terrified; and he never needed to fight. The fighting rooster had become a rooster of wood. He had gone beyond his technical training. He possessed enormous energy but it was all inside, he never showed it. That way, his power stayed within himself, and the other had no choice but to bow before his tranquil assurance and undisplayed strength. Cheers. |
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Post by WuWei on Nov 16, 2004 3:12:16 GMT -5
Da jia ni men hao The following is an old story, which some of you might have heard. The moral of this story is very good. In China, Chi Hsing Tzu, who was a disciple of Lao Tzu, wrote a story on the subject of fighting rooster.... This is a very, very good story. I've heard a similar one, but it was about a soldier in the King's army. This story would probably fit well in the "Hero" thread. |
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Post by Suhana LIM on Nov 16, 2004 3:32:00 GMT -5
This is a very, very good story. I've heard a similar one, but it was about a soldier in the King's army. This story would probably fit well in the "Hero" thread. WuWei ni hao Glad you like the story Why don't you also post the story that you've heard. So all of us can learn something from it. Cheers. |
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But once we almost got killed by a group of thugs, lucky enough we still could escaped the scene. 
Sometimes we were lucky, we encountered a robber or pickpocket being mobbed. In that sittuation, we always trained our "cheng" and "siang kak kun." 
