Post by DRleungjan on Mar 23, 2005 12:00:26 GMT -5
Hi there BRAM,
Do you remember were you read that? Just curious.
From the limited knowledge I possess on the subject and what I was taught sometime back, Wing Chun is predominantly a 'hands' system. It possesses three basic mid to low-level kicking techniques complimenting the three major hand movements of the system. That being Bong, Tan, and Fook respectively. However, from these a nice arsenal of kicks are produced.
IF I have heard and read correctly, it is said that the Augustine Fong system employs eight kicking techniques in its arsenal. It's as much as I can share and I hope it helps a bit.
i read some article in the wingchunkuen the writer say some WC style use more kick than hand this is true?
those anyone know about this WC style?
I've never seen or heard of a WCK style that emphasizes kicks more than hands. That would go against many of the basic principles of the method. Augustine Fong does indeed teach "8 kicks" as Julio said. But many of them are just variations on the basic kicks.
There was a higher level nun than Ng Mui. Ng Mui was head of the woman's martial arts section and they had tie-in's to the monks at Shaolin. Ng Mui was an expert at Plum Blossum Pole fighting. The Taoist arts at Wu Dong heavily influenced Wing Chun. The Shaolin arts were Buhddist in origin. Wu Dong was probably a specialized branch of Shaolin, specializing in the internal arts. Hsing I and Wing Chun have many similarities. Also Southern Preying Mantis has much in common with Wing Chun. Wang Kiu doubts that Yim Wing Chun passed the art on to her husband because in the Chinese tradition a husband would not learn from the wife. The husband was the protector of the family. Ng Mui was probably a true famous historical figure but the connection between her and Yip Man cannot be traced. Much of the legend was made up by a man called Lee Man who together with some very early Yip Man students decided that it would be good for Marketing Wing Chun to spread variations of the Ng Mui, Yim Wing Chun legend. The Chinese love to tell stories. Much of Chinese history has also been rewritten many times in order to make the regime in power look favorable and the old regime look bad, so it is difficult to trace things through written records. Wang Kiu said the only thing we know for sure is what happened after Yip Man. Yip Man did not like to argue endlessly with students about what was and wasn't correct Wing Chun so he often just nodded and said, "Yes, that is OK", hence many variations of Wing Chun resulted. The early teachings received by Leung Sheung, Lok Yu, Tsui Shan Tin, Wong Shun Leung, etc. differed from Yip Man's later teachings. Wang Kiu said, "These days there are so many variations of Wing Chun. They change just like the fashions of the day. Maybe someday Wing Chun will look like some sort of a ballet. Since I have been teaching, I have found no reason to change anything that I was taught. If you do feel the need to change then you should still pass on the original classical form but then mention to the student your personal ideas and don't mix these in as if they were the original ideas. Your ideas may not be good in other circumstances or for other people." TEXTIf you talk to 10 Wing Chun masters you will get 10 different stories. In one area of China, Wing Chun was famous for its leg techniques. Yip Man was very good at this aspect. Many students of Yip Man concentrated more on hand technique and quick entry technique because they found it was sufficient for street combat. But Wang Kiu said you need the kicking because it is not in the forms for nothing. I have found a lot of second and third hand stories get twisted around. When you check with the original source then you will find the stories are not correct. For example I heard that Wong Shun Leung did this or that move for this reason, e.g. he feared a certain kind of counter, but when I asked him he said, "No, the real reason is ..." Don't underestimate other Wing Chun styles. Sometimes stories spread that this or that Wing Chun master is no good. Sometimes people who spread these stories find out that they are not any kind of match for even students of the no good master. Unless you have personal experience with the master in question, don't assume things from gossip. Even the above stories, since they are third hand, need to be checked with the source. About the Author Ray Van Raamsdonk started martial arts in Calgary Alberta in 1967 under a 7th degree black belt named Olaf Simon while studying mathematics at the University of Alberta in Edmonton. In 1969 he moved to Toronto and joined Hung style club in Chinatown run by masters Jim Lore and Jack Chin. In 1975 he moved to Vancouver and started studying Yang style Tai Chi under master Raymond Chung. In 1976 he met Patrick Chow, a private student of Yip Man. After a year or two, Chow returned to Hong Kong. After some years he moved to Victoria, still training Tai Chi and practicing what Wing Chun he had learned. In 1981 he hooked up with a student of Wang Kiu by the name of Dr. G.K. Khoe. In the late 1980's, Ray produced a Wing Chun newsletter called Wing Chun Viewpoint. Over the years, he have met various Wing Chun personalities from different lineages. Some of these people include Wong Shun Leung, Tsui Shan Tin, Chung Kwok Chow, Eddie Chong, Kenneth Chung, Emin Boztepe and students of other people from the Leung Sheung lineage, from the Moy Yat lineage, from William Cheung's lineage etc. In 1992 he went to San Franciso to take a private lesson from Kenneth Chung and has met him several times since.
Post by DRleungjan on Mar 24, 2005 12:21:23 GMT -5
TEXTIf you talk to 10 Wing Chun masters you will get 10 different stories. In one area of China, Wing Chun was famous for its leg techniques. Yip Man was very good at this aspect. Many students of Yip Man concentrated more on hand technique and quick entry technique because they found it was sufficient for street combat. But Wang Kiu said you need the kicking because it is not in the forms for nothing.
Ah, I see where you are coming from. I would take this as meaning that in that particular area in China the Wing Chun method that was or is practiced employed more readily 'leg techniques' or more correctly speaking (IMO) 'footwork', which really means that the style is really mobile. But, I might be misunderstanding this part too.
Emphasizing kicks over hands..(To quote KPM)'would go against many of the basic principles of the method'. A healthy balance of both is, however, very effective.