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Post by essence on Nov 7, 2004 8:27:11 GMT -5
Good day everyone.
The first weapon I learnt is the Siu Lum Pole set. I have, however, not seen any Shaolin practitioners do this form before.
Next weapon taught to me is spear. I was not supposed to learn this weapon as it is considered advance, but when my Sifu saw I liked the weapon and that my stay with him might be limited, he decided to teach me, in the event that I might have to leave the country, I would have something to take with me.
Weapon I like to learn most would be the Zham Bey Do or Horse Cutting Blade. However, my Sifu said Hung Gar does not have a Zham Bey Do form. At least, not in our lineage.
Weapon I find most fascinating would be the umbrella. I was told that there is an umbrella form in Hung Gar, but have not seen it as yet. Anyone able to verify this?
Warmest regards, Tze Hou
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Post by Seeker on Nov 7, 2004 8:30:09 GMT -5
I like the Fan and the Kwan Dao ;D
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Post by Eric Ling on Nov 7, 2004 9:44:45 GMT -5
Good day everyone. Weapon I find most fascinating would be the umbrella. I was told that there is an umbrella form in Hung Gar, but have not seen it as yet. Anyone able to verify this? Warmest regards, Tze Hou Hi Tze Hou, Yes I think in certain Hung Gar streams, they teach a umbrella form. If I am not wrong. Ho Lup Tien's line has this form. And I have seen the umbrella performed by many Hung Gar exponents in the 70s and 80s in Singapore. So I am pretty sure you will get the umbrella.
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Post by konghan on Nov 7, 2004 16:39:30 GMT -5
These are Fujian white crane weapons, it is identical to wu zu quan & that is so because wu zu quan is the martial cousin of white crane. The weapons in display are of combat steel & that is the kind of weapons we use both in training & in public demo. The weapons in the picture are: mountain trident, horse cutting knife, hook long spear, pudao & kwan dao.
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Post by essence on Nov 9, 2004 9:04:46 GMT -5
Hi Tze Hou, Yes I think in certain Hung Gar streams, they teach a umbrella form. If I am not wrong. Ho Lup Tien's line has this form. And I have seen the umbrella performed by many Hung Gar exponents in the 70s and 80s in Singapore. So I am pretty sure you will get the umbrella. Good day Eric. Would you happen to know any sifus in Singapore who teach this form? I would be most interested to pay the sifu a visit when back in town. Warmest regards, Tze Hou
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Post by Hungfist on Dec 11, 2004 12:02:25 GMT -5
I love sticks - any lengths. And I am not confining myself to Chinese sticks system. I give up - what's a monkey stick?
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Post by Nataraya on Dec 11, 2004 12:44:26 GMT -5
Hung Fist,
We have two 'so called' Monkey Stick forms. Southern Monkey and Northern Monkey King. The way you handle the stick and move along the stick is typical monkey. KNuckles always to one side. Also you use the whole length of the stick. This is the characteristic sign of Monkey Stick. Further the two forms are related to the water Margin story of the Monkey. The original name should be Sun the travellers staff and Wu the travellors staff. Wu, is the Monkey King, the acrobatic version with mimicking the Monkey. The Southern is the basic one, the one that can be found in Choy Lee Fut too. Although the CLF version is slightly different in chorography, it is ABSOLUTELY from the same source. In my opinion more Southern systems use this form. Southern Monkey Stick is VE%RY popular in the Guangzhou and Hong Kong region.
Monkey King or Wu the Travellors staff is more rare. Although technical more advanced, my students prefer this set above the Hang Tse Kwan. The Hang tse kwan is more basic skill, while the Monkey King contains much more advanced technical skill, which are difficult. And that's what the students like. By the way, you can't compare Northern Monkey King with any modern Wushu form, which are show and crazy. No climbing or somersaults, nothing like that. Footwork many rotations of the stick during jumps - make it hard for the beginning student. But they love to get it all coordinated well.
I heop to answer your question well enough? Feel free to ask questions.
Warm regards, Evert.
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Post by Hungfist on Dec 11, 2004 12:49:47 GMT -5
Hung Fist, We have two 'so called' Monkey Stick forms. Southern Monkey and Northern Monkey King. The way you handle the stick and move along the stick is typical monkey. KNuckles always to one side. Also you use the whole length of the stick. This is the characteristic sign of Monkey Stick. Further the two forms are related to the water Margin story of the Monkey. The original name should be Sun the travellers staff and Wu the travellors staff. Wu, is the Monkey King, the acrobatic version with mimicking the Monkey. The Southern is the basic one, the one that can be found in Choy Lee Fut too. Although the CLF version is slightly different in chorography, it is ABSOLUTELY from the same source. In my opinion more Southern systems use this form. Southern Monkey Stick is VE%RY popular in the Guangzhou and Hong Kong region. Monkey King or Wu the Travellors staff is more rare. Although technical more advanced, my students prefer this set above the Hang Tse Kwan. The Hang tse kwan is more basic skill, while the Monkey King contains much more advanced technical skill, which are difficult. And that's what the students like. By the way, you can't compare Northern Monkey King with any modern Wushu form, which are show and crazy. No climbing or somersaults, nothing like that. Footwork many rotations of the stick during jumps - make it hard for the beginning student. But they love to get it all coordinated well. I heop to answer your question well enough? Feel free to ask questions. Warm regards, Evert. Is it a long or short stick?
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Post by Nataraya on Dec 11, 2004 13:33:44 GMT -5
Eyebrow High stick littereally: Chai Mei Kwan. But there is another name being used:
Seung Toh kwan (Double ended stick).
And even some prefer the very old name of Pang instead of Kwan. Then it is: Hang Tse Pang.
Regards,
Evert
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Post by CStephens on Dec 11, 2004 17:54:56 GMT -5
My new favorite weapon is exclusively the chizi kun bo. Every time I pick up a bo, I get something hurt. I'm dropping that thing from regular practice. Gosh darnit!
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Post by Eric Ling on Dec 11, 2004 20:30:50 GMT -5
Okay, Picture from Evert of "Journey to the West" Monkey King.
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Post by clfsean on Jan 13, 2005 9:23:26 GMT -5
I've never seen a "Monkey Stick" in my branch of Hung Sing CLF.
Maybe the Buk Sing has one or the Chan Family?
Any idea what school you saw this set from?
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Post by Eric Ling on Jan 13, 2005 10:13:21 GMT -5
I've never seen a "Monkey Stick" in my branch of Hung Sing CLF. Maybe the Buk Sing has one or the Chan Family? Any idea what school you saw this set from? Hi, I think I got a book of this form. And you are right - Chan family. And Doc Fa Wong list this as one of his weapon forms:- Monkey King Staff (Hang Jeh Pang)
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Post by Nataraya on Jan 13, 2005 11:08:06 GMT -5
Performer is Sifu Chan Kin Man, the inheritor of the Fifth generation of CLF. The 'strange" translation is Monk's waddyplay, while the Chinese characters relects the true nature: Choy Lee Fut's Hang Tze Kwan. Hang Tze kwan is related with Southern Monkey Stick or Sun the Travelors stick. Somewhere in a thread I did write the story down..... Warm regards, Evert.
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Post by clfsean on Jan 13, 2005 11:26:54 GMT -5
Thanks guys... that's what I thought.
The Chan family of CLF has a literal ton of sets. The branch I practice (Hung Sing) in comparison only has a handful.
Thanks for the info!
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