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Post by Eric Ling on Jan 6, 2005 22:24:43 GMT -5
Hey Tze Hou and Simon, Got some 5 Animals Kung Fu pictures here for you guys. Simon, no problem. Use any of my pictures you need. Paying homage to Si-Gung and SiaoLim is my duty. If you want to use pictures from other members, ask them first. This is a snake posture from SiaoLim. Name of this technique is "Poisonous Snake Blocking Path". From a form that Ah Joo taught. A tiger posture from Hak Fu Mun or Black Tiger Kung Fu. The book that I mentioned. "Shaolin 5 Animals Red Fist" and a snake technique from this style. The 5 Animals from another Cantonese style. These postures are part of a "10 Animals" form. Do not have the history of this.
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Post by essence on Jan 7, 2005 2:41:23 GMT -5
Good day Eric.
I am sorry if my words have offended you or anybody on this forum. I did not mean for them to be offensive, maybe I phrased my words wrongly.
Upon reviewing my comments, I do find that they indeed can be found to be sarcastic, and I apologise for that, I should have found a better way to phrase my reply, but please understand, it was phrased as such out of curiousity, and not of sarcasm. I am truly intrigued by arts which have been less refined, and thus, left more true to the way the masters originally developed them, and in this manner and thought of mind, I had replied.
I am extremely grateful for this forum, for the enormous help the members here have given to me in my martial pursuits. I would never do anything to sour our relationship as I owe the members here a debt of gratitude.
My reply was one of genuine curiousity and does not have any sarcasm or any malice. Again, please accept my most sincere apologies if I have offended anyone. Thank you all for your patience with me and the many mistakes I make.
Warmest regards, Tze Hou
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Post by Eric Ling on Jan 7, 2005 3:37:32 GMT -5
Good day Eric. I am sorry if my words have offended you or anybody on this forum. I did not mean for them to be offensive, maybe I phrased my words wrongly. Upon reviewing my comments, I do find that they indeed can be found to be sarcastic, and I apologise for that, I should have found a better way to phrase my reply, but please understand, it was phrased as such out of curiousity, and not of sarcasm. I am truly intrigued by arts which have been less refined, and thus, left more true to the way the masters originally developed them, and in this manner and thought of mind, I had replied. I am extremely grateful for this forum, for the enormous help the members here have given to me in my martial pursuits. I would never do anything to sour our relationship as I owe the members here a debt of gratitude. My reply was one of genuine curiousity and does not have any sarcasm or any malice. Again, please accept my most sincere apologies if I have offended anyone. Thank you all for your patience with me and the many mistakes I make. Warmest regards, Tze Hou Hi Tze Hou, No, I don’t find what you wrote sarcastic. My concern is more one of misleading you. You hear a lot about Hakka Boxing from both Evert and me. Working on histories of the various Southern CKF, the Hakka’s stop is unavoidable. And yes, Hakka Boxing do exhibit abundant “Sat” or “kill” and rightly so. Hakka were gypsies and back then probably “intruding” and “trespassing”. They have to be very effective in their fighting ways. But then, the Cantonese and Fukienese were equally involved in fighting foreign intruders like the Manchurians, Europeans and Japanese. I said this before; talk to some CKF veterans and they’ll tell you “Hung Gar history is written in blood”. There is no “superior” art. There are superior martial artists. I guess that is my message. Thanks.
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Post by Nataraya on Jan 7, 2005 4:48:06 GMT -5
Quote: “….. I gather that the Hakka arts have more of a "destructive" feel about them, that is they are more kill oriented. Is this correct?
The last years I was able to collect more clips from other Hakka Boxing lineages, and could compare it with the way it was taught by my late Sifu. Recently clips from Mainland are sold commercially, and I need to say that the Sat “Intent” is missing. Not saying that the forms are done badly, just different choreography and different explosions. Let’s say, much more controlled.
From personal experience I can say that a Fierce Tiger skill from Hung Ga Kuen feels more controlled then many skills from Gau Bu Tiew (Nine steps in Pak Mei). But as I said, this is from personal perspective.
To be 100% correct, I probably need to say that the Lee Sai Keung branch of Pak Mei present a strong ‘destructive’ touch. Right now that I am thinking back to the seventies, I can not remember that we EVER did a decent Qinna skill. More of a kind like, Hold and kill.
Hung Kuen verses Hakka Boxing: There is a (possible) historical link with Gee Shan Sim Si, meaning relationship. But, the flavour of each style is so different, and changed around 1930. Lung Ying and Mo Ga had a great impact on further development of the art that Cheung Lee Chang (Pak Mei Pai) brought down.
Tze Hou, I am VERY pleased to hear that your ‘martial exploration’ of the Singapore scene, is running smoothly. I wish we could walk & observe together, to see the skills of current teachers. Your PM sounds great, and I am sure that you will find the correct lineage of Boxing.
Kindest regards,
Evert.
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Post by Eric Ling on Jan 8, 2005 0:24:50 GMT -5
Hi folks, Some more pics from the late Sifu Chong Beng Joo classes. These postures are from the 2nd form that Ah Joo taught - SiaoLim Lohan Koon.
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Post by jeff on Jan 24, 2005 20:20:39 GMT -5
Hey Tze Hou and Simon, Got some 5 Animals Kung Fu pictures here for you guys. Simon, no problem. Use any of my pictures you need. Paying homage to Si-Gung and SiaoLim is my duty. If you want to use pictures from other members, ask them first. A tiger posture from Hak Fu Mun or Black Tiger Kung Fu. Eric, I'm curious as to where you found that picture? That is a picture of my sigung that i myself had not even seen. jeff:)
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Post by Eric Ling on Jan 30, 2005 11:27:34 GMT -5
Hi Simon, Apology. I was going to post some pictures of another SiaoLim form in my collection. This is a form did by a SiaoLim brother in Malaysia many years ago. The form is called " Chaap Jee Kim Kong Koon" or "Figure 10 Diamond form". Very SioaLim in every aspect and should be included in your site imho. When I get back to Kuching, I will post it. Thanks. Eric
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2005 5:43:40 GMT -5
Talking about animal forms: In Holland most people just practice the basic Sao Lim forms. The animal forms can become too 'showy' en and 'empty' when learned to early. My personal opinion is that without conditioned hands (iron palm) animal forms just don't look right. At least in out school they don't :-) Usually the animal styles only look powerfull when the practitioner has reached the 'contact is power' stage in training.
Having said that, there are some animal styles practiced. The Tiger Crane form. Another form is the snake form. One of my seniors learnt part of this style, but never finished it unfortunately.
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Post by Eric Ling on Mar 4, 2005 3:45:07 GMT -5
Hi Simon, I will slowly re-scan and post SiaoLim materials for you. For now, let me start with my Sifu Chong Beng Joo. The last pic is too small. Thanks.
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Post by Eric Ling on Mar 5, 2005 9:18:41 GMT -5
Hi Simon, Some more Siao Lim pics. Sifu Chong Beng Joo's students doing Lohan outside. Thanks.
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Post by Eric Ling on Mar 6, 2005 3:14:42 GMT -5
Hi Simon, Reposting Sifu Tan Choo Seng pics for you. Sifu Tan, according to the article I got, was a student of Si-Gung. Started “Hua Tiong” bukoan which is kind of unconventional for a Siao Lim disciple. All 1st generation Siao Lim schools had names like Siao _______ San. Sifu Tan is retired and last I heard is involved in restoring old temples in Johor West Malaysia. Btw Simon, please feel free to just export pics to your website - my little way of giving a bit back to my first Kung Fu - Siao Lim Koon.
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Post by Eric Ling on Mar 11, 2005 5:24:25 GMT -5
Hi Simon, More pics from the Perlis SiaoLim group. Posting these for 2 reasons :- 1. For your collection. 2. To show Russ that his Goju elbow technique is also done in SiaoLim. Russ posted a pic of Master Miyagi doing a almost the same technique. Thanks.
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Post by Marc on Mar 12, 2005 20:25:46 GMT -5
Wow, Eric although I am one of those that believes Chogun Miyagi studied Go Cho as did his student the late Gogen Yamaguchi, to better understand his art. I am amazed at the similarity between your pictures of Tan Choo Seng's Siao Lim: and Shuri Stream Karate:
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Post by mickeykh on May 29, 2005 2:38:40 GMT -5
Hi Yoda..Micke here ncie to see U again.... hope we can keep in touch....
Are U in SG now? btw thsi website is already a ghost town.... Cheers Micke
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Post by yoda on Jun 20, 2005 8:26:29 GMT -5
Hi Simon I tried to email you did you recieve anything???
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