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Post by Eric Ling on Oct 7, 2004 2:51:19 GMT -5
Hi all, Another style of Southern Cantonese Kung Fu that might interest you. More so if you are examining connection between Fukien/Cantonese Kung Fu. The style is Lung Ying and the pix are taken from the form "Lung Ying Mo Kiu" - one of their advanced forms. As usual the exchange rate is 1 CD to 1 carton of Carlsberg beer.
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Post by Nataraya on Oct 7, 2004 5:42:02 GMT -5
Winter is starting here in Holland, and thought I could have a long nap. But those d**n snapshots of you create hyper activity.
Eric, Lung Ying Mor Kiu is one of my favourite forms, and already the last 27 years. As you might know, it is part of the Pak Mei Pai curriculum. A GREAT set with typical Hakka signs like smashing the Bridge. I have seen two versions so far because the authentic Lam Yiu Kwai version is slightly different then Cheung Lee Chuang spread. Still very close to each other.
Your snapshots are very interesting (as usual). To start with the gesture, this is Shaolin and NOT Hakka. Then I like to refer to the crazy kick, absolute NOT Lung Ying. I guess that the teacher wanted to show his flexibility instead.
The other two pictures are much closer, and I do recognize them.
We have a Dragon Boxing set in our curriculum, much closer to Siu Lam. It is only one set, but with 108 postures. It looks more Cantonese then Fukienese, with lot of body twirlings.
Then we have Yau Lung Pa Kwa Kuen. My Sisok told me that this is Southern Pa Kwa Boxing. Very interesting system. The lineage my grandmaster gave us, is dated back to 1600. While modern Pa Kwa started around 1850. Dong Hai Zhuang started somewhere, probably with such an old system?
Choy Lee Fut have its Dragon forms, as well as Hung Kuen integrated typical Dragon actions. In both Cantonese systems I see an overlap. I see hardly any overlap when I compared them with Hakka Lung Ying Boxing.
Then we have an E mei Shan style of Dragon Boxing , but don’t have that information at work. Will try to find out the exact name of the style.
There is so much more to say then above, but this is a task for us all. Looking forward to other replies.
Finally; to make this reply more complex. There is an enormous overlap between Tai Ji Mei Hua Tang Lang, for instance Ba Zhou (eight shorts/ elbows) and [Hakka] Lung Ying. Truly significant. I had a discussion with Robert Hui, who happens to be a TJMHTL practitioner and Lung Ying Boxer. I will see if I can find his reply somewhere...
Kind regards,
Evert.
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Post by Eric Ling on Oct 7, 2004 7:30:14 GMT -5
Hi Evert,
I prefer to call you this rather than Nataraya, if you don’t mind. So many earlier mails starting with Evert that it is becoming a hard habit to break.
Okay, you are right – not Hakka but Shaolin. The left right Ming salute in the form gave it away. That plus the fact that the demonstrator is from Wong Fei Hung’s line – go figure.
I will send you a copy of this CD and honestly I think you will be disappointed. Not enough “Geng” throughout the entire execution. Too “floating” – you will see.
I do not pretend to know much about Lung Ying but I do recall watching some others doing this form. The “Pui Kin Shou” and “Mor Kiu Shou” explode from the hind leg. In a 2 men demo, one chap was sent flying with “Mor Kiu”<br> The “Por Kiu” is in the same vein with my bridge breaking “thunder hands”. In this demo, the smashing down is overly done. I would have thought the deflecting and smashing should be done in one smooth action to capitalize on 2 handed jin instead of one after another.
Yes, the high kick is out of place – no discussion there.
8 elbows PM – got a book published recently in China with me. Without a scanner………<br> Plum Blossom – this I got a couple of CDs. Very crispy movements and very fast. Lovely performance.
Is 8 elbows the one with added Hsing Yi?
And on yes, the E-mei Dragon is "Fire Dragon" kung Fu.
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Post by Eric Ling on Oct 7, 2004 7:38:08 GMT -5
ooops... left out the Bagua.
Always thought Dong modified an older Lohan Palm set to create his Bagua. Isn't that how the story goes???
This is Northern Shaolin Lohan/Buddha Palm form. I will post some pix of this palm form for you.
Ps. Just don't let the Oldragon hear that your Bagua predates his. Boy are we going to see some fireworks. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Eric Ling on Oct 7, 2004 8:06:34 GMT -5
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Post by Eric Ling on Oct 7, 2004 9:14:30 GMT -5
Hi Evert, A little something on TCMFTL first :- Love this jumping knee technique. The guy did it so superbly - just squat and spring up - beautiful! Note : These guys are the real deal. Not the WuShu performance style Preying Mantis.
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Post by Eric Ling on Oct 7, 2004 10:16:35 GMT -5
Hi Evert, Since you brought up Choy Li Fut Dragon form, I got one of them in my collection :- The name of the form is "Chyun Long Saat Paat Kork"
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Post by pitbull on Oct 7, 2004 18:23:59 GMT -5
hey why dont we start a study of chua li put? i am really inrigued by their system. they say its not only good to look at but also functional
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Post by Eric Ling on Oct 8, 2004 5:52:15 GMT -5
Pitbull, Ditto your comments.
CLF is very effective in combat both long and short range. Very powerful in many features.
There was even a spin-off hybrid style martial art taught in Singapore one time. This style was called “Chap Koon Do”. The “chap” refers to “chap choy” or the leopard fist punch – most CLF exponents take opponents down with this “chap choy”.
The Singapore National Sparring Coach, Woon Tai Seng, was a champion in the SE Asia Puglistic Tournament – can’t remember which year’s?
Woon is an outstanding CLF exponent – a student of the late celebrated CLF master – Kwan Man Keng.
I started a new thread on CLF. Hopefully , we would get some CLF folks to join us there.
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Post by pitbull on Oct 8, 2004 11:19:07 GMT -5
actually,the leopard knucke is actually very painful...so CLF has leopard style in it?
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Post by Eric Ling on Oct 8, 2004 21:13:44 GMT -5
Hey Pitbull, Good Morning (it's 7.45 am in Kuching). Yes CLF do leopard. In fact if you go to the CLF thread and check the article that I posted, you will see some pix of Hung Sing Kwoon Singapore. Notice their kung fu pant - they wear yellowish pant with black spots' just like leopard's skin. Must tell you how much the leopard means to them huh ? CLF do all ten animals in their training. There is an entire Crane form that they do published in an old mag from HK. I got it lying around somewhere and if I find it, I'll scan and post it. CLF, to me, must have the most number of forms among all the Cantonese CFK. The other is Chou Gar. And not surprising considering this:- CLF is a blending of 3 different arts. Choy Gar, Li Gar and Fut Gar Kung Fu. Chou Gar or sometimes known as "Starting with Hung and ending with Choy" kung fu is made up of at least 3 separate styles : Hung Gar, Choy Gar, Bak Siu Lum and even a seldom heard style - Wong San Pai. Chou Gar, in Singapore and West Malaysia, is often taught under the banner of "Sim Sun Lok Hup". Sim Sun is a name of a place in Canton. Lok Hup means combination of 6 styles. I like CLF because they do both long range and short range techniques equally in their system. Their long range, to me, looks very Lama Pai and even to a certain extend Pek Kwa. Pek Kwa means chop and smash. This style is now done together with Monkey Kung Fu. Heard of Tai Sheng Pek Kwa Kune ? Some CLF long range techniques :-
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Post by pitbull on Oct 9, 2004 10:37:01 GMT -5
is there a Hao family oriented art? my uncle practices something that resembles peho ut not quite...i wonder hwt it is...unfortunately nobody knows what it is
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Post by Eric Ling on Oct 9, 2004 10:43:26 GMT -5
Is "Hao" in Hanyu Pinyin ?
Are you able to scan and post this character?
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Post by pitbull on Oct 9, 2004 10:50:26 GMT -5
~{:n~}
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Post by Suhana LIM on Oct 9, 2004 23:19:25 GMT -5
Pitbull ni hao What the......? Is that in "ancient" script? Cheers.
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