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Post by softforce on Mar 9, 2005 4:38:40 GMT -5
Good day everyone,
I've been reading the thread on FCTT and I have a question for both the hakka and fukien players that might be interesting to discuss.
When you fau, chum, tung, tou, do you perform these body actions the same way when fighting as in forms practise? Or do you do them differently? If so, what is different and why?
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Post by nothingness on Mar 9, 2005 5:18:24 GMT -5
I believe that the points of practicing forms are:
1) Condition the body so that it has the powerful reflexive moves.
2) Condition the bod so that it rids of any inefficient moves.
So, forms follow functions.
Just my humble opinion.
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Post by mickeykh on Mar 9, 2005 5:44:07 GMT -5
Forms, in my opinion, not only do the above mentioned, but if given sufficient time & trg can be used in fighting & sparring.......
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Post by meltdawn on Mar 9, 2005 9:01:53 GMT -5
yes we train them the same way.
aside from the repetition of combinations and footwork, each form has something in it to condition the body, internally, externally or both - but a student might not see what it is for a long time. forms have a vital place in the training and understanding of my art.
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Post by nothingness on Mar 9, 2005 16:45:14 GMT -5
Forms, in my opinion, not only do the above mentioned, but if given sufficient time & trg can be used in fighting & sparring....... Right, but what are being used? Not the forms themselves, but the essence of the arts. |
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Post by Eric Ling on Mar 9, 2005 17:32:05 GMT -5
Right, but what are being used? Not the forms themselves, but the essence of the arts. Sorry but I just got up and still a little slow in everything.... Errrh what is the "essense" of the arts? Of any art for that matter ? I promise you I would be okay after my first C..... ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by nothingness on Mar 9, 2005 22:08:33 GMT -5
Motion and rest. ;D
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Post by Suhana LIM on Mar 10, 2005 3:45:24 GMT -5
Da jia ni men hao
Forms also make training more enjoyable. ;D
Cheers.
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Post by mickeykh on Mar 10, 2005 3:48:21 GMT -5
Right, but what are being used? Not the forms themselves, but the essence of the arts. Right abt the essence part. but what is your definition of essence? do U mean that the techniques in the forms can't be used in sparring?? |
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Post by nothingness on Mar 10, 2005 4:05:42 GMT -5
Remember the first time we learned to ride a bike? We were told a step-by-step sequence. We first memorized them, then do them step by step. After falling several times, we finally got it. After we got it, we kept practicing it. Now, we need to ride a bike, we don't even think about the steps; we are just riding a bike. This is the essence of riding a bike. Learning martial arts is more complicated than this, of course. However, the idea is roughly the same. When someone is attacking us, we no longer think "left arm block, right hand punch." We simply think "move" and hopefully something will happen in our favor  . The training should make the movements strong and efficient. "As natural as sneezing" |
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Post by diligentmantis on Mar 10, 2005 4:06:15 GMT -5
Forms are a mainstay of any art if you learn tecnique alone how many could you remember as the years went on? without forms you would miss out on the tecniques of the transition movements from A-B, The Old masters who put these arts together did it in forms for a reason if it worked better without forms it would be so , But how many arts have been Handed down without forms?
sean
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Post by Suhana LIM on Mar 10, 2005 4:21:23 GMT -5
Da jia ni men hao I agree with what Nothingness has said. IMHO, through practicing the forms, we "implant" the movements into our body. So when they are needed, they will automatically come out without we have to think first. If one still has to think what movement or form he should use in the fight, IMHO, he still need a lot of practice! Do the form a thousand times, it will become natural  Cheers. |
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Post by mickeykh on Mar 10, 2005 4:22:45 GMT -5
Forms are a mainstay of any art if you learn tecnique alone how many could you remember as the years went on? without forms you would miss out on the tecniques of the transition movements from A-B, The Agreed on that as human memory is pitifully forgetfully .... Thank you On the essence part by nothingness....we do in a way fight without knowing what we did..... ;D ;D |
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Post by nothingness on Mar 10, 2005 4:24:49 GMT -5
I believe that this approach is a major doctrine in the Lo Ban Teng school, isn't it? Please correct me if I am wrong.
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Post by nothingness on Mar 10, 2005 4:28:08 GMT -5
The long term human memory that is due to repeated movements and do not require consciousness is linear in the learning acquirement.
It means that 20 hours of learning (repetition) is 20 hours of repetions regardless if you do it in 1, 3, or 20 days.
Just one or two things that happen to reside in me from Cognitive Science ;D.
However, there is also the stamina and physical ability constraints.
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. The training should make the movements strong and efficient.