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Post by Suhana LIM on Oct 5, 2004 5:34:56 GMT -5
Eric ni hao A very good topic But can you reduce the size of the pictures? Cheers.
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Post by Suhana LIM on Oct 5, 2004 5:36:43 GMT -5
Eric ni hao Actually you should put this sam chien in seperate, don't called it under "other wierd kungfu." Cheers.
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Post by pitbull on Oct 5, 2004 7:37:24 GMT -5
wow! he's 93 nd still kicking! see? sam chien not only makes people live longer but also improves the quality of life...sinking the dantien also gives blood to the groin and exercises the kegel so its also good for erection!
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Post by Eric Ling on Oct 5, 2004 10:45:50 GMT -5
Hi everybody, Da Jia Hao, In Fuzhou crane we don’t do San Chiem like NCK /Tai Chor or Tiger Kung Fu. We do San Jin or 3 Advances. Essentially still in the Tun/Tu/Fo/Tsen territory but with these variations:- • Inclusion of 5 elements hands training • Very distinctive crane movements like flying crane hands • Ending with our signature kick at the end of the toulu. The other major difference is SanJin is much softer comparatively. The primary stance is 3 Angles or Triangular stance and not so much the San Chiem hourglass stance.
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Post by Eric Ling on Oct 6, 2004 2:19:49 GMT -5
Found this nice San Chiem Slogan in the Hong Kong Yong Chun White Crane's site. Says it all:-
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Post by nothingness on Oct 6, 2004 11:59:18 GMT -5
I came across something rather interesting: www.masterginfoonmark.com/movie_download.htmMind the marketing pitch, it semss that he has some interesting movements. One of his students claims this is to be a refined NCK. I disagree. I see some similarities. However, I don't see the triangular footwork (sa ga ho) and the hip twist. His hands look similar to crane to me (Please share your opinions). Is this one of those Hakka kungfus? He calls this particular movement "This is chop shu. It is also part of three step arrow." PS: Try Pilsner Urquel from Czech Republic ;D
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Post by Eric Ling on Oct 6, 2004 17:07:49 GMT -5
Hi nothingness,
That SPM is the refined form of NCK, I cannot agree. Not trying to be politically right here.
NCK’s span and coverage is simply too big.
However, I must say that I think both styles share mutual ancestry.
You are right, SPM is a Hakka product. It has long been my (and Nataraya’s) argument that Hakka Kung Fu is rooted in Fukien or to be more explicit Fukien White Crane.
Hakka (Kek) or “Guests” being nomadic folks could be the main apparatus in the transplanting of Kung Fu from Fukien to Canton. White Crane was one of the prominent styles to have undergo this transfer and with the changing of hands, adaptations are to be expected.
Looking at SPM, one cannot help but observe the many Fukien White Crane traits embedded in their training, from the stances, techniques and even the forms. In fact, their form “3 Arrows Step” is read “San Po Cheen” in Cantonese.
In Fukien, this sounds more like “Sar Por Cheen”. Am I imagining things or does this sound like San Chiem to me. Even the form looks like San Chiem except that the punches are done with the phoenix-eye fist which suggests White Crane.
I know that in Fukien Eng Choon White Crane, they do a form called “Praying Mantis Sunning” or according to Martin Watt’s site – “Praying Mantis Illuminating the Sun”. I have not seen the form but something tells me this is where I should start the investigation.
You might not know this but there is another Hakka/Cantonese style called “Pon Gar Sam Cheen kune” which shows tremendous likeness with Fukien White Crane popular in the 70s and 80s in Hong Kong.
Familiar with “Uechi Ryu” karate. Check out their websites and look at some of their forms.
Long thought to be adapted White Crane, Tiger and Dragon kung fu, it is now maintained (by one Uechi’s group at least) that SPM is their likely origin.
NCK’s relationship with Eng Choon White Crane is a very intimate one. During my training days, I met many veterans in both these styles. And it is very normal to hear NCK described as “Peho chiu and Tai Chor Kar” or “White Crane hands and Tai Chor legs”.
This is the same description used by the late Master Cheng to express his Fong Yang Kung Fu. Fong Yang is closely connected with the “Beggars” clan in China – another gypsy tribe.
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Post by nothingness on Oct 6, 2004 18:14:42 GMT -5
Thank you for the thorough explanations.
Let's get to the fighting method now. If you see on the video clips, the steps are only forward and backward; there is no side stepping. In WZQ that I learn, there is a lot of sidesteppings. Do you have a lot of sidestepping as well in the BHQ?
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Post by pitbull on Oct 6, 2004 19:11:06 GMT -5
i think the sidestepping in NCK came from monkey...
also NCK is comprised of 5 spices...there are actually forms that concentrate on each style.from what i know there is a white crane form,a monkey,a tatmo and a taizu form(taizu sanzhan 12) i dont know about lohan but there is also bagua...
thanks for the link! i am actually downloading it
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Post by Eric Ling on Oct 6, 2004 21:44:56 GMT -5
Thank you for the thorough explanations. Let's get to the fighting method now. If you see on the video clips, the steps are only forward and backward; there is no side stepping. In WZQ that I learn, there is a lot of sidesteppings. Do you have a lot of sidestepping as well in the BHQ? Hi nothingness, Side stepping or going to the 4th gate is one of 12 fighting doctrines of Fuzhou White Crane. There is a back 4th gate and the front 4th gate and beginners in our system spent a big part of their training doing drills to move out of the centerline of attack. And it doesn’t stop there. Moving out of line is good but not good enough. You must move and counterattack in one same sequence. An example would be: - moving to the back 4th gate and ramming your knee (without raising foot) into opponent inner/outer knee cap area. You do this and spread your arms at the same time hitting your opponent’s back. Time this hand/leg combo well, you’ll send your opponent tumbling. This is “White Crane Spreading Wings” in Fuzhou Crane – part of our long-limb crane training. There is an entire form that we do with a collection of techniques that must be effected with this 4th gate concept. The form is done in the regular manner but to apply you would need the doctrine “key”. Going offline is a major doctrine according to my Sifu because the founder Fang Chi Niang was a woman. For a woman to fight a man, moving out of the way first seems pretty rational. Chas (Seeker) will tell you that 4th gate training is big with me. When I was teaching in Denver, this is about the only drill that I did besides bridge breaking.
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Post by nothingness on Oct 6, 2004 21:50:51 GMT -5
Thank you for the explanations.
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