Shaolin Quan

[Wanderer]

What routine of Shaolin Quan do you study?

Luo Han (arhat)?

Da Hong?

Xiao Hong?

Jin Kong?

Or ?

[Wanderer]

Here is a link to Xiao Hong Quan.

www.shaolinwolf.com/morechitrainharder/xiahongquan1.htm

[Suhana LIM]

Wanderer ni hao
Just want to know if the so called USA Shaolin Temple is affiliated/related to the Shaolin Temple is mainland China? Or it is just another institution which" ëxploit"
Shaolin name? Cheers.

[Wanderer]

Yes.

The Shaolin Si is sending monks to set up Si Yuan to spread Chan Buddhism and Shaolin King Fu in different countries in the west.

On the other hand, the Japanese Shorinji is already spread in many countries as Kenpo.

Shorinji facilitated a lot of visits of Shaolin monks.

Shaolin Si is building a nice Si Yuan in San Fran.

Peace.

[Eric Ling]

Hi Wanderer,

Do you think Shorinji Kempo is really Shaolin?

I heard someplace that when Nakamichi (Doshin So) brought a delegation back to Honan,got his students to do a demo and one senior Shaolin monk was heard remarking - This is not Shaolin.

Thank you.

[Wanderer]

Hi;

You may call it Shaolin like or a branch.

Shorinji may be the largest martial organization in Japan. There are many kenpo schools in the states and across the world.

The main thing is that Shorinji respect and identify Shaolin Si as their learning source.

There is no other organization like that.

You may call it Shaolin fan or friends club if you will.

Their kenpo is indeed originally from Shaolin?

[Eric Ling]

Wanderer said:

Hi;

Their kenpo is indeed originally from Shaolin.

Which style is this?

Thank you.

[Wanderer]

Hi;

I retract that sentence. That is what I heard. You are right. They may not be from Shaolin Si.

Here are some links.

www.shorinjikempo.org.au/

wsko.econ-net.or.jp/index.html

www.geocities.com/sfshorinji/whatis.html

[Eric Ling]

Hi Wanderer,

Don't get me wrong - got nothing against SK.

In fact, I used to watch them train in the Singapore Japanese School's hall.

Neat Stuff!!! Very fast and their Chin-na methods are very effective.

I am curious that is all. If you look at Shaolin, both Fo Jia and Su Jia, nobody moves like them .
So my question is what did Doshin So got out of China ?

He called it Shaolin Quan Fa. so which Shaolin is this?

None of the websites talk about this. Even his books did not specify. I got all 3 books published on Shorinji Kempo.

And Kongo Zen or Jin Kang Chan - is this Shaolin Chan ?

[Wanderer]

Hi;

Personally, I do not know much about it, either.

I have a couple of Japanese American coworkers. They talked a little about it.

When I said I at first started to learn Shaolin Quan and Qin Na in the late '60.

They said oh Shorinji.

Apparently, Shorinji is big in Japan.

I have some brochures and curriculum materials. I never pay any serious attention to them.

[Wanderer]

Here is a link.

A forum for Shorinji kempo.

www.e-budo.com/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?s=63bb9bf0a5d68ce012d7039e8062f5ea&forumid=24

[Eric Ling]

Hi Wanderer,

Been there. Thanks anyway.

Not that keen in all that "airy" talk. I am just trying to find out what Kung Fu the founder of SK learned during his stay in China.

See SK means "Shaolin Temple Boxing Methods/Ways/Laws". So which Shaolin is this?

Very simple question actually.

Xie Xie

[Wanderer]

Cool.

Agreed.

I have some speculations but I really do not know.

Japanese sometimes do talk with a lot of airs and little or no substance. I think that is their way of being too polite.

Hondo Ni?

So desku ka?

So so so.

[Eric Ling]

So So,

I read Doshin's book - one in English, one translated into Mandarin and another in Japanese. The last is done by his daughter and seniors I think. Came out after his death.

And none of the books mention any specifics about the style of CKF brought out by Doshin.

There was a thread in the FightingArts forum that I was following. I think it got deleted - can't find it anymore.

There was a poster who appears to be very well-informed about SK.

He mentioned that some Chinese actually took SK to court for using the name Shaolin. Probably some Chinese Shaolin followers

[Eric Ling]

Hi,

Managed to find that SK posting in the FightingArts forum.

Thought I reproduce it here for all to read :-

Shorinji Kempo was founded by a man named Michiomi Nakano who was a member of the a japanese criminal organization (Black Dragon Society) which began acting in concert with the imperial government at that time. Nakano reputedly acted as an agent providing intelligence to Japanese authorities in manchuria. After the wall he claimed he was initiated in the the Giwamonken temple which he eventually became successor naming taking the budhist name "Doshin SO" and refering to his style as Shorinji kempo.His claims were hotly contested and In 1972 he was on the losing end of a law suit by a group of chinese living in japan and as a result the japanese court action agreed to refer to his style as "Nippon Shorinji Kempo". A little research will reveal to you that his "System" is in fact a creative Blend of Kango Zen , Shorinji Kenkokan Karate (Nakano trained under Masayoshi Hisataka for a while)and Hakko ryu Jujutsu (which he studied under Okuyama Ryuho)and both of these unique systems are clearly visable in the training of Nippon Shorinji Kempo....of course the truth is less glamorous then the wonderfull shaolin stories. So folks claim (although there is little to document this) that Doshin So's effort in creating the Shorinji kempo movement in Japan in 1947 (which was and is recognized as a religion in japan by the way)was an effect to contiue his secret society efforts in post war occupied Japan.
I hope this helps.