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Post by Eric Ling on Jan 9, 2005 22:57:35 GMT -5
Hi folks, Talk about rare styles! Got 2 here and they are as rare as they come! Style #1: Roughly translated, the name means “Fast Water” Kung Fu. Supposedly from the 13th chamber of Shaolin 36 chambers. Looking at their postures, they strike me as very “Hakka” and guess what? Their 1st form is called “Chu-Li Opening Flower”. 2 names you would normally associate with Hakkas. Style #2: “Boar-Wolf” Kung Fu. This style is really something else. They fight on the floor half the time and if not for the boar (wild pig), I would think they are the source for some Malay/Indonesian Silats. And that’s is because this system looks so Silat!
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Post by pitbull on Jan 9, 2005 23:24:46 GMT -5
i heard that there was a fetus kung fu? any piks or info?
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Post by Nataraya on Jan 10, 2005 3:14:08 GMT -5
Dear Eric,
GREAT! You attached an article of Ma Fei Lung, he was the Iron Palm specialist of Hong Kong in the seventies. I met grandmaster Ma in 1980, his style is outstanding (!)and known as Kup Shui. I even think that I did sent you a clip training the claws with special equipment? His youngest son diod showed a linear pattern.....
When we were in Hong Kong we met; Lo Wei Keung, Yip Chun, Leung Ting, Lee Koon Hung, and many more (grand) masters. We were invited by Ma Wei Ling and were able to film a lot on the rooftop. I NEVER ever saw such a hands before in my life. I hardly could shake his hands, so thick and strongly.
Seeing there forms I must say too, that I had strongly the idea that it is heavily drowned with Hakka. Which is okay for me. What they showed us was true traditional material, old Lien Gung drills. The second pictures is his oldest son (on the left). Very good and solid kungfu then. I think he is in his fourties now. Ma Fei Lung have a daughter which showed us Daan Do, good skill too.
The last photo seems to be rare, never seen this before.
Warm regards,
Evert.
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Post by Eric Ling on Jan 10, 2005 3:21:35 GMT -5
Dear Eric, GREAT! You attached an article of Ma Fei Lung, he was the Iron Palm specialist of Hong Kong in the seventies. I met grandmaster Ma in 1980, his style is outstanding (!)and known as Kup Shui. I even think that I did sent you a clip training the claws with special equipment? His youngest son diod showed a linear pattern..... Evert. Hey Evert, Yes this is "Kup Shui" or "Fast Water" Kung Fu. I described this as "rare" as I am sure many have not heard much less seen this. So tell me; do you think they are Hakka? Thanks.
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Post by Eric Ling on Jan 10, 2005 3:23:49 GMT -5
i heard that there was a fetus kung fu? any piks or info? Pit are you sure you are not kidding? I have never heard of fetus kung fu. Anyone?
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Post by Nataraya on Jan 10, 2005 3:29:27 GMT -5
The posturs 1 and 2 are exactly the way we practiced stepping drills In Pak Mei. Later in the form his postures - protecting the centerline - become more loose, but this could be an individual/ personal problem. The forms are done in a linear pattern, forwards and backwards. Forms contains around the 40 movements launched with destructive power. All ingredients that are strongly Hakkla orientated. I have at home personal photo's given to me by grandmatser ma. Also I will watch tonight the films we made in Hong Kong.
Later I heard that they were sppreadingt he art, for instance in Spain and Italy the style was spread. His oldest son went into the film business.....
The third photo of Ma his son, is a typical Hakka skill, and I think also common in Fukien White Crane?
More important, Siu Lam Kup Shui is a very solid style that I have seen and get a lot of respect from me.
Warm regards,
Evert.
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Post by Eric Ling on Jan 10, 2005 4:31:35 GMT -5
The third photo of Ma his son, is a typical Hakka skill, and I think also common in Fukien White Crane? Evert. Yes Evert, very common in Fukien/Fuzhou White Crane. In fact, one of my basic "sticking and circling hands" drills. Remember I spoke about this much earlier on in our exchanges:- "When my hands touch your hands, you got no where to go." Take care my friend.
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Post by pitbull on Jan 10, 2005 4:39:18 GMT -5
Pit are you sure you are not kidding? I have never heard of fetus kung fu. Anyone? weird/unusual styles ive heard and not yet seen... crab fetus tortoise(!) kirin wolf bear
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Post by Eric Ling on Jan 10, 2005 5:06:14 GMT -5
weird/unusual styles ive heard and not yet seen... crab fetus tortoise(!) kirin wolf bear Okay Pit, Crab as a subset yes but not a stand alone style. Fetus - tortoise - they do this in Hsing Yi 12 animals form with very interesting fingers formation in some older lines. kirin - again as a subset. wolf - ditto bear - in the late Kwan Tak Hing's 10 Animals, there is a "bear" style. Evert got this book - maybe a scan of the bear? ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Suhana LIM on Jan 10, 2005 6:25:54 GMT -5
i heard that there was a fetus kung fu? any piks or info? Da jia ni men hao What about "Crazy man's style" ? Cheers.
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Post by Suhana LIM on Jan 10, 2005 6:30:16 GMT -5
Hi folks, Style #2: “Boar-Wolf” Kung Fu. This style is really something else. They fight on the floor half the time and if not for the boar (wild pig), I would think they are the source for some Malay/Indonesian Silats. And that’s is because this system looks so Silat! Eric ni hao IMHO, they are not boar (wild pig) style. In some Pencak styles, they are also doing lots of "low" movements. But I don't think they will adopt the boar movements. It's haram for the muslim. Cheers.
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Post by pitbull on Jan 10, 2005 8:14:17 GMT -5
i also saw scorpion kungfu in china but i dont think i got that in video but my mongolian xiao jie took interest and special attention to the movements though..i think she should try that low stance w one leg up on me hehehe
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Post by Nataraya on Jan 10, 2005 8:31:29 GMT -5
The Bear style of Kwan Tak Hing is rather rare I must say, and it doesn't belong to the old Siu lam Boxing system, surely not in the Ten animal form that I was taught. The postures in the book does me thinking a lot of Five Animals Frolicking (Hua Tuo). Evert
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Post by Nataraya on Jan 10, 2005 8:43:27 GMT -5
Here a picture of Ma Fei Lung, as usual, he practiced mainly his left hand, while being right handed. Just look to the abnormal form of his pinkedge. I remember that it had the size of my forearm (wrist area). No callus, while the skin was as thick as the heel area, thick skin. Ma Fei Lung is a master of the Kup Shui style, known for his thirtysix halls and 72 courts. The 13th Hall was famous for its Boxing techniques, in particular, for a technique known as the Iron Palm, a powerfull striking skill often talked about with a sense of mystery. Sifu Ma Fei Lung was one of the unshaven students of the 13th Hall of Shaolin. More then interesting is that master ma stated that descendents are found in South East Asia, Taiwan, in particular and Singapore. Mui Fa Kuen play an important role in his system, comprising of 108 movements each of which bearing a degree of difficulty in learning. I was more then pleased that I was able to met master Ma Fei Lung and his children. Hopefully we are once able to meet descendants of this branch of Kung Fu. Kindest regards, Evert.
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Post by Nataraya on Jan 10, 2005 8:49:42 GMT -5
A long time ago I did make an investment about the official systems count (and practiced) in Fujian province. Below the list of systems I could translate: 1. He Quan Crane Boxing Styles * 2. Long Quan (Green) Dragon Boxing 3. Hu Quan Tiger Boxing 4. Gou Quan Dog Boxing 5. Luo Han Quan Arhat Boxing * 6. Mei Hua Quan Plumbloosom Style * 7. (Jin) Shi Quan (Golden) Lion Boxing 8. (Gong) Ji Quan thingy Boxing 9. Nu Ren Quan Lady Motions Boxing 10. Xie Quan Crab Style Boxing 11. Ru Quan Scholar Boxing 12. Yu Men Fa Fish Style 13. Niu Quan Cow Style 14. Hou Quan Monkey Boxing 15. Liu He Men Six Harmony Boxing 16. Zi Ran Men Natural Style 17. Niao Ji Men Bird Motions Style 18. Wu Xing Quan Five Pattern Boxing 19. Wu Zu Quan Five Ancestor Fist 20. Tai Zu Quan Great Ancestor Fist 21. She Quan Snake Boxing 22. Xiang Xing Quan Pictographic Boxing 23. Xiang Dian Men Incense Shop Boxing 24. Ba Gua Zhang ‘Pure’ Eight Diagram Boxing 25. Tai Ji Quan All Tai Ji Styles.
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