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Post by pitbull on Oct 4, 2004 18:14:06 GMT -5
like the anti black riots in california?
to be frank..being racist or what i prefer 'racially aware' isnt bad at a;;...it becomes bad when it turns to DISCRIMINATION...having a sense of cultural/racial awareness is good
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Post by pitbull on Oct 4, 2004 18:15:56 GMT -5
let me also add that it pains me to know or hear of chinese being bullied and maltreated anywhere in the world. this is where the discrimination comes in...i hope we all can follow malaysia's example..they live happily w indians,malays and chinese...if malaysia can do it why cant other places do?
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Post by Suhana LIM on Oct 5, 2004 5:59:39 GMT -5
let me also add that it pains me to know or hear of chinese being bullied and maltreated anywhere in the world. this is where the discrimination comes in...i hope we all can follow malaysia's example..they live happily w indians,malays and chinese...if malaysia can do it why cant other places do? Pitbull ni hao It seems you missed something here. Long long before your time, in 1969, there were racial riots targeting the hoa kiau. At that time, thousands fleed Malaysia. But thank God, since then the situation getting better  Cheers. |
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Post by Suhana LIM on Oct 5, 2004 6:02:10 GMT -5
A few anti-minority riots will help them to develop that sense Nothingness ni hao Alas, the desire to train harder usually last for few months after the riots  Cheers. |
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Post by pitbull on Oct 5, 2004 7:46:42 GMT -5
my goodness..when will all these racial riots end?
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Post by Suhana LIM on Oct 6, 2004 1:26:57 GMT -5
Pitbull ni hao I am not a pessimistis, but I doubt it will ever end  Cheers. |
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Post by WuWei on Nov 25, 2004 15:48:23 GMT -5
I have the exact problem, but from the other end of the stick.
Most Yang Taiji Sifu in my area have no real gongfu. To my mind, knowing the motions but not knowing the essence, application, proper terms, ect is not knowing the complete art.
I am content to wait in the interim.
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Post by Suhana LIM on Dec 10, 2004 17:36:31 GMT -5
I have the exact problem, but from the other end of the stick. Most Yang Taiji Sifu in my area have no real gongfu. . WuWei ni hao Can you explain more about "have no real gongfu?" Cheers. |
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Post by WuWei on Dec 11, 2004 22:13:17 GMT -5
Maybe I should re-phrase that.
The people teaching Tai Chi where I live seem to downplay or outright ignore the martial aspect of the art. The movement is there, but the spirit is not. This is not the type of gongfu I would want to cultivate.
I am not knocking any practitioner seeking to benefit soley from the health aspect of the art; this is only to say that I am searching for the true Quan.
Part of the problem is the commercialization of CMA in general. I believe a lot of the charlatan masters are able to copy steps and start a school easier now than ever before, without ever having pushed hands. There are way to many neon signs on the street and grandmasters in the phonebook.
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Post by Eric Ling on Dec 12, 2004 0:25:53 GMT -5
Maybe I should re-phrase that. The people teaching Tai Chi where I live seem to downplay or outright ignore the martial aspect of the art. The movement is there, but the spirit is not. This is not the type of gongfu I would want to cultivate. I am not knocking any practitioner seeking to benefit soley from the health aspect of the art; this is only to say that I am searching for the true Quan. Part of the problem is the commercialization of CMA in general. I believe a lot of the charlatan masters are able to copy steps and start a school easier now than ever before, without ever having pushed hands. There are way to many neon signs on the street and grandmasters in the phonebook. Hi WuWei, Understand your sentiments exactly. Well, it’s raining crazzzzzzzzy here and with nowhere to go and nothing much to do, I thought I revisit this topic. “The state of traditional CFK today.”<br> Fast dying IMHO. You’re over in the US and maybe you see one facet of this picture – not a very nice one I might add. I don’t really keep up with developments there but every now and then, friends would pass me MA magazines from the US. And some of the things that I read in there are simply extreme. I really wonder how some people get away with what they do? In these day and age of high connectivity, one would have thought that there is no place for such blatant distortions! To a certain extent, I must say I understand – US being so “dividends” driven and promotion/marketing sometimes do compromises what’s real. And this is not just happening to CKF. Every traditional MA, with the exception of a small number, has taken quite a beating there. So, my friend, your comments are totally reasonable. Things are only slightly better here in Asia. Traditional CKF has lost the lure it once had. In its place is Wushu – powerfully promoted by mainland. If you read Evert’s post on this, you will know exactly what I am getting at here. Like it or not, we are a disappearing breed. Some might even call us inflexible for not moving with the times. Well, I am not really disturbed by any of these comments. At the end of the day, it’s about one’s private predilection. Happy to just do what I do and not really keen in what happening around me except maybe when I encounter those who try to pass off “garbage” in good names. A friend just sent this info to me; if you need any lineage or affiliation, don’t fret. Just sign up for a 2 weeks training tour to China over Christmas and come back next year all “legit”. And only pre-requisite to join this training tour; Kung Fu to dig into your pockets. 2005 should be a very colorful year! hahahaha;D;D;D |
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Post by essence on Dec 12, 2004 7:09:00 GMT -5
Good day everybody.
With regards to what Eric has said, I find it very troubling. Everyone knows that Wushu has been heavily marketed and the 2008 Olympics might see it debut as an Olympic sport, increasing its popularity countless folds.
Now, I have no quarrel with Wushu, but the only thing which affects me is its consequences it has on the world of traditional arts. How are young impressionable people going to tell Wushu apart from traditional arts, especially since Wushu looks more like what people see in movies than the traditional arts?
Indeed, people who pursue the traditional arts are a dying breed. The question is, how do we preserve the arts in their traditional forms? True knowledge is hard to find and the true purists who really wants to learn and even harder to find, not to mention the people who profess to be masters but are empty vessels.
Is it still true today that the Master and Student will find each other when the time is right? How do we continue to ensure that people who want to learn the traditional ways are able to find their way and how do we preserve the arts for what they are?
Warmest regards,
Tze Hou
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Post by pitbull on Dec 12, 2004 18:16:02 GMT -5
teh problem w traditional art is its diversity...sometimes people under the same lineage wil not agree on certain techniques. while the plus side of wushu is they have a generic syllabus...the problem isit will make people think that wushu is the real stuff...people say i do taichi and wushu when i am training LOL...
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Post by Suhana LIM on Dec 12, 2004 18:52:13 GMT -5
teh problem w traditional art is its diversity...sometimes people under the same lineage wil not agree on certain techniques. while the plus side of wushu is they have a generic syllabus...the problem isit will make people think that wushu is the real stuff...people say i do taichi and wushu when i am training LOL... Pitbull ni hao The different opinion in the same lineage is good and healthy. As long as the techinques not derailed from the original. Next time when you train, wear T shirt with big and bold sign that stated that you are not doing either wushu or taichi ;D Cheers. |
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Post by essence on Dec 14, 2004 11:31:38 GMT -5
Good day everybody.
I will tend to agree with Suhana. When differences do occur, I will choose not to be angered, as discussed in another thread, techniques do have a multitude of applications. Sitting down and discussing it over some drinks (or Carlsbergs) might prove fruitful for all involved. What matters is the principle of the technique stays true to its origins.
Warmest regards,
Tze Hou
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Post by CEB on Jan 31, 2005 16:38:19 GMT -5
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Cheers.
Cheers.
Cheers.
