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1,Loy lau hay soang Lut sau jick choong
Retain what's coming in, and send off what is retreating. Rush in upon loss of hand contact.
2, Lay but loy see Ngoy yick but soang
Do not be lax when your opponent is not advancing
3,thingy yut yee doang Joang sum yee hoang
Once the opponent moves, his center of gravity changes
4, Seen fot jai yan Yun see yee goang
Make the 1st move to have control. Attack according to timing
a, Personally I still don't see any contradiction of the 4th stanza to the 1st and 2nd stanza from the translation above.
b, As for the 3rd stanza, it's open for further discussion.
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Hi ST Pual,
** Problem with translation:
2, Lay but loy see Ngoy yick but soang
Do not be lax when your opponent is not advancing
(this above translation got a big problem. the meaning of the chinese stanza is that
"at the time you dont come, I will not let go"
the otherway to look at this stanza is that it means " only when you come, I let go"
the pattern of this sentence, as I mention above, it has a shadow of the Internal school slogan:
"you dont come, I will not issue jing".
So, what is let go? let go means release the arrow. meaning, only if you engage I fajing.
As it said, issuing power or fajing is similar to releasing the string to shoot the arrow out.
From the translation, IMHHO, one can see that the translator doesnt have the capability about Fa Jing. Thus, due to not be able to know clearly what happen. the translator get into the mode of trying to explain out with his/her own logical mind. and that is what happen, IMHHO only ofcorse.
and the translation "Do not be lax when your opponent is not advancing" also got another problem. It means one is TENSING when the oponent is not advancing.
But, infact, one is using the AWARENESS such as in the chi Sau to listen, and that AWARENESS is beyond TENSINNG or LAX.
May be we need to translate it to be Do not be in LAX when your opponent is not advancing. where LAX means Los Angeles where ST Pual reside.
** problem with the consitancy of 1,2,4.
stanza 1 and 2 , describe a "using silence to track /subdue the "coming" action".
Stanza 4 suggest "Make the 1st move to have control."
Ok so if the characteristic of WCK using silence to track and response as the stanza 1 and 2 said, or go out make the 1st move to have control?
is it the CAT type waiting and observing and awaring and adjusting. or it is the mouse where rushing out to take control?
See, this type of composing kuen kuit is actually a MIX instead of an integration. IMHO, if one looks at the platform characteristics, energetics dynamics, and contact capability of the kuet. one sees a contradiction here. So, are you a CAT or a mouse? or a CAT/mouse in the same time. so how is your cat/mouse platform, energetics, contact ..
what is WCK?
is it about
"Seen fot jai yan "
Make the 1st move to have control.
or is it about
"how fot seen do"
Resonse to the 1st move but arrive the target first?"
in my craziest opinion ofcorse .
*** problem with 3rd stanza.
1, you translation is wrong. it is not "Once the opponent moves, his center of gravity changes"
it is "Once the opponent moves, his center of gravity is lost." Dont know which high hand who is so genious to make this kuit.
2, There is a Joking WC kuen kuit.
That is
Loy lau hay soang Lei Chao but Dong
Retain what's coming in, and send off what is retreating. but you cant even walk.
Lut sau jick choong leong ko to Jung.
Rush in upon loss of hand contact. Both who rush in took the shoot.
So, as for "Once the opponent moves, his center of gravity is lost" Well, go take a look at Kyokushin open, Muay Thai in Thai Land, BJJ in UFC. are they losing thier centrer of gravity?
so, what to discuss? either one knows or one not.
Hehehehehe, so that is my CRAZY OPINION. and see people call me NUTs and MAD Man and CRazy. dont take what I post seriously because I am the one who dont know , fantasying the chinese martial art novel similar to Chin Yong the hero of Condo...and always sing that song. ---
Dont know much about his-story
Dont know much about energy
Dont know much about connectivity.
Dont know much about ....
what a wonder world it would be.
and the Chinese mandarin said, Jin xin Soo pu ro wu soo or one rather have no BOOK then totally believe in BOOK.
Because the BOOK might makes no sense at all or misleading or create even more confusion. someday, someone is going to entering tier two of the pyramid. But then getting there one needs AWARENESS training to AWARE of things which is doesnt making sense.
