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Post by PaulH on Mar 4, 2005 15:25:04 GMT -5
My tongue will never feel the same. For a bird, your tongue is more powerful than your claws, Garuda! =)
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Post by yy on Mar 4, 2005 16:27:47 GMT -5
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Post by yy on Mar 5, 2005 3:14:13 GMT -5
Kuen Kuit said, arm and Hand moving forward and retreat similar to how Tounge work. I wonder if the Tounge know Ying Yang hard soft Internal external solid hollow? and keeping thinking so much? a slightly different spin: This is what Shi Ming writes about "Internal Speech" (Higher Martial Arts, pg 86) "When people write essays or copy writings, if they pay close attention they will discover that just before or at the same time as they write each word, their tongues move very subtly, soundlessly prononcing the word. The speed of internal speech is so rapid that it can coordinate with thought. There are many levels of development of internal speech...." Interesting pages on internal speech (subtle tongue movements) and external speech (e.g. Hand moving forward and retreat). Their relationship is not completely known to scientists according to SM.
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Post by garuda on Mar 5, 2005 13:12:08 GMT -5
a slightly different spin: This is what Shi Ming writes about "Internal Speech" (Higher Martial Arts, pg 86) "When people write essays or copy writings, if they pay close attention they will discover that just before or at the same time as they write each word, their tongues move very subtly, soundlessly prononcing the word. The speed of internal speech is so rapid that it can coordinate with thought. There are many levels of development of internal speech...." Interesting pages on internal speech (subtle tongue movements) and external speech (e.g. Hand moving forward and retreat). Their relationship is not completely known to scientists according to SM. There are lots of stuffs we might not know or even the scientists doesnt even cary out any searching. But then Scientist also has a set of thier own problem such as they have been condition to bias on a certain view... IMHO, Chinese thinking on 1750, 1850, 1900,1950, different alots. 1750 educated people will have good chinese root in culture and View..etc. 1850 is the time lots of chinese has no longer that Chinese. look at the Tai Ping's. these people are starting to become westernized. 1900 is the time of in denial of Traditional Chinese culture and view and pro western. 1950 practically most Chinese has no deep understanding of what is a Chinese culture and view of 1750. The pyramid model I post here is actually a trial testing way of describe, Tee Yong or body and application. the Tien Ren Dee or the heavn human earth in modern term. Yes, whatever tier of the pyramid exist and there is a link from the model to the past chinese view. IMHHO, I think the hong kong 1950s view are very fragmented and distort in a big way. that is because hong kong 1950 is very Britist and non chinese. and some chinese tradition is there but there are western influence . Say, Qi, in 1750 all chinese will believe in that existance. in 1950, lost of chinese martial art is using the so called Scientific to turn down the exist of Qi. but Then, in 1994, national institude of health in the united state of america adopted a term -- biofield- to acknowledge a growing body of search that shows the subtle field ... or Qi in a new term-- BIOFIELD so, since now people are experimenting and reserching the EMF of Cellphone, computers...and the Biofield .... who knows by 2020 what happen? agree with the 1750 chinese ? wait and see. if we dont understand 1750 we might not understand what happen.....
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Post by yy on Mar 5, 2005 18:46:14 GMT -5
1850 is the time lots of chinese has no longer that Chinese. look at the Tai Ping's. these people are starting to become westernized. 1900 is the time of in denial of Traditional Chinese culture and view and pro western. 1950 practically most Chinese has no deep understanding of what is a Chinese culture and view of 1750. I think India and Japan also went through great deal of westernization back then. In 1950's HK people were working their a**es off to make a living. Knowing more English got u better jobs back then. in 2020 we can smile at each other's biofields. Some says in order to understand Chinese history, we need to look at all era's as a whole. As for the 3 tier model, I think many do not believe that WCK can reach the higher level as described by people like Shi Ming. If people see WCK as just a fighting tool, then the tip of the pyramid may just be level 2.
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Post by garuda on Mar 6, 2005 17:37:44 GMT -5
As for the 3 tier model, I think many do not believe that WCK can reach the higher level as described by people like Shi Ming. If people see WCK as just a fighting tool, then the tip of the pyramid may just be level 2. YY, Thus, I have heard, people who see WCK as a fighting tool ( which is ok because everyone has thier freedom) doesnt go that deep into 2nd tier too. they take it as a SUUT or technics or manuval. majority of people with This type of view doesnt include humanity in it. but, pride/capability/fame or different type of ego is the driving force of the development of the Suut. At suut level, it is not even an art but a technical manuval. so, the awareness and open heart are not a part. the bottom line here is about does it work? can I used it to beat you? what is the physical scientific explaination? See, these all run under the personal conciousness of serving ME. Since there are different type of human being and different living condition, how everyone choose thier tier is nothing good or bad but based on their living condition and personal conciousness. IMHHO, I think all the tier must be checked out to see a big picture. Talking about the Suut only can cause problem as the Ermei 12 zhuang's small letter zhuang's commentary said " this small letter is for subdue the Sum Mo or heart demon or mind demon or ego cause delusion. So, the ancient knows about what will lead to what. Another thing is that if the suut making the physical body strong and the concious is not transcent then that lead into SEX when they dont have violance to release thier power. look at lots of people who have high Suut in the past or near past or today. see how they turn into sex to release thier energy "stuck" or dilemma. if you look at these in the Indian Chakra system. you will see that if the Heart chakra didnt open up. the strong energy from the physical or root chakra is going to stop at second chakra ,activate sexual desire or other addict for fulfillment. IMHHo Thus, one's philosophy will direct one differently. the one who sees the world as not more then an animal kingdom where the strong is the king. one will stay at suut level. the one sees the world is as a transform of Awareness where everything is equal and liberation. ONe will lead into Dao. So, different people walk different path. A rule of thump to see where the teaching or practice direct to is that The teaching which goes to the top tier and up will going into Silence and AWARENESS. disregard of where, what races or which part of the world the teaching is from. The teaching which goes for Suut only will not working on trancending the Personal Conciousness or Open thier heart but stay at looking after, stronger, Winning, better, Righteousness, Revenge (such as the revenge to kill the Mongolian or Manchurian, or the next villagers who fight with one......etc). disregard of where, what races or which part of the world the teaching is from. and choosing the path is also choosing one's karma. oftern one will find that even the same art two different school mate will travelling different path. thus, to be able know where one goes and to choose one's karma. that is ¤Ñ¦a³£¦b§Ú¤ß¤¤.<br> in the Bhagawa gita or the lord's song, the path to silence is the path of Satva. the path to power is the path of raja. hinduism.about.com/library/weekly/extra/bl-gitatext16.htmas I have heard. IMHHO
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Post by PaulH on Mar 7, 2005 13:30:06 GMT -5
Interesting view, Garuda! Man naturally gravitates toward his heart's desires. But he will find soon enough that they too will pass leaving one unfulfilled and empty. "Where your treasure is there lay your heart also."
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Post by yy on Mar 7, 2005 13:58:24 GMT -5
thus, to be able know where one goes and to choose one's karma. that is ¤Ñ¦a³£¦b§Ú¤ß¤¤.<br> I don't know what kind of Karma I accumulated in my past life(s), why am I stuck with WCK in this life?
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Post by garuda on Mar 8, 2005 18:01:52 GMT -5
I don't know what kind of Karma I accumulated in my past life(s), why am I stuck with WCK in this life? I think it is more this life then past life. Just make sure you wife dont think Wing Chun is another ladies name. otherwise you then will have a rough KARMA! movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hv&id=1808617679&cf=trailer&intl=uslook at the Pak DA, Sun Punch, and the Snakes. Do you think Wing Chun is the mature lady or the sweet young girl?
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Post by yy on Mar 8, 2005 20:37:17 GMT -5
look at the Pak DA, Sun Punch, and the Snakes. Do you think Wing Chun is the mature lady or the sweet young girl? I know my wife used to be a sweet young girl, and now she is more matu.r.
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