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Post by PaulH on Mar 13, 2005 2:58:53 GMT -5
So would someone take a bite on this translation? Thanks, YY!
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Post by chaotic2k on Mar 18, 2005 20:45:32 GMT -5
some very intresting words. Siu Leem tau is defantely a journey. I have practiced this form for 9yrs now and still learn more and more each time. Its like an eternal spring of knowledge. The Meaning behind siu leem tau is to express the basic applications and concepts of effective fighting. In my system the tan sau represents "lut sau jit jung" (thrust forward when the hand is free) just that one ideal can produce many techiques. Chum kui is putting siu leem tau into motion, as well as exploring the angles and connecting concepts together to preform new dimentions (i.e alot of siu leem tau moves, combined with a slight stance turn can create new transformations of basic concepts). Biu Tze is the rule breaking form, teaching the practioner what to do when they are in a bad postion, unlike the other boxing forms biu tze teaches you to attack the limbs, this can also be translated into using everyday weapons like a chair. The wooden dummy, which has all of the above plus strenght and conditoning! then the pole!! Builds up amazing punching power, due to the practionair sending ther force to the end of the 9ft pole. It teaches how to send energy and delevopes "geng" power. And finally the Knives, they teach a whole new concept. The footwork in the knife form is very different and the application is also very different, the wrists replace the elbows and the reason there not taught openly is because only advanced people can take in the form without it effectiing there wing chun negativley. This is how the system works in my tyle anyway. Wing chun is like a radio tuned in perfectly, this is why only certain people can learn the knives without it untuning there freqency.
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Post by PaulH on Mar 20, 2005 3:23:20 GMT -5
Yup! You describe very well the feel of the WSL Ving Tsun system which I study in the post above. As you can see from other threads, there are quite a few other WC people who think, do, and talk very differently from the WSL VT interpretation. Frankly I don't mind one bit as some of their tea cups can be very stimulating to damaged brain cells!
P.S. You'll find people talk less about forms and more on skills as they progress to higher levels. Whenever I saw Hawkins Cheung talking with Gary Lam at our gym, they never discussed about the forms or their meanings but mostly about good WC usage or some particular WC skills aspect. =)
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Post by chaotic2k on Mar 20, 2005 4:22:07 GMT -5
Good to see another WSL wing chun student. I totally agree on how good it is to read information on the other branches of wing chun. Since wing chun is a concept rarther than a style its very intresting to see how different branches have applied it. I guess the more advanced the less you'd want to discuss forms because its like a plane taking off, when your flying you dont need to worry about the run way. But going back to the forms, somthing i'm learning in my stage of training is how the forms start to become personnel expressions, like my siu leem tau, chun kui etc will not look like other people who come from the same school. I have alot of respect for gary Lam and anyone intrested in seeing some good WSL wing chun try his site out: www.garylamwingchun.com.
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Post by moonbird on Mar 20, 2005 16:05:53 GMT -5
Hi guys, I find Buddhist and Taoist symbols and ideas throughout in SLT, CK, and BJ. So is WC designed more or less a tool of enlightenment or is it born as a need for fighting tools to train higher combat skills - a more commonly held view today? Any historical insight would be appreciated! =) Brilliant sun and moon Silent fragrance blooms Earth awakens ring ring Eternal wanderers spring Hello, Wandered into this area and like the directness and depth of this Wing Chun communication. WC enlightened symbolism is really amazing in that the art has as an overall theme in its name a reference to Springtime the balance of dark and light, night and day. Is this also a reference to good and evil? There are variations of the name such as beautiful or eternal springtime and I wonder what people consider a closest to the point translation with regards to a central theme in this art. Whatever it is it is balanced and powerful. The founders or characters clearly developed a highly efficient system/style/technology for combat/self defense and the theme of the style or name makes it very clear that there were ethical considerations for doing so. Hmm, the plot thickens. Regards, Jack
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Post by PaulH on Mar 21, 2005 1:49:30 GMT -5
I prefer Beautiful Springtime. After many long-suffering, lonely, frost-biten Winters of our daily discontent, it's seem rather obvious to me!
As for good and evil, I think the old Chinese didn't have a satisfactory explanation for the existence of absolute good and evil which is too dualistic for their wholistic philosophy.
Did you write those eternal ring ring verses, moonbird? =D
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Post by moonbird on Mar 21, 2005 20:57:10 GMT -5
I prefer Beautiful Springtime. After many long-suffering, lonely, frost-biten Winters of our daily discontent, it's seem rather obvious to me! As for good and evil, I think the old Chinese didn't have a satisfactory explanation for the existence of absolute good and evil which is too dualistic for their wholistic philosophy. Did you write those eternal ring ring verses, moonbird? =D Hi Paul, I like the Beautiful Springtime too and agree with what you say about the dualistic points not being consistent with the holistic approach. The ring, ring Beautiful Springtime verses were a result of a writing style that I am working on. It’s kind of like a mirror exercise where I stare at beautiful words until they start staring back at me. Haha. There was this poem staring at me after I started staring at it and some of the words leaped out at me and into my eyes, as they traveled through the labyrinth of my mirror mind I captured them and directed them to flow out my fingers and into an order that I found more pleasing, like taking a sad song and making it better, from there they landed upon the world wide web at the Wu Lin Wing Chun forum. There was no one else around when this happened so I must conclude that I did this thing, it was fun for me, did you like it? To expand a bit more on the forms and meanings in the Wing Chun system/systems they remind me of the riddle of the sphinx where the solution to the puzzle refers to the progressive stages of mobility in man, crawling, walking and use of a cane. In the variety of Siu Lum Tao forms I am aware of all versions are done in a standing position and teach foundation/rooting, breathing, focus, alignment, joint flexibility, circular, linear, upside, downside, inside, outside and to borrow the idea from the Egyptians in essence teaches one how to crawl before walking. Chum Kiu introduces walking mobility while maintaining total body integration; this form seems to be introducing spatial challenges/relationships, bridging, timing, and maintaining balance and awareness as the environment and circumstances change. Biu Jee seems to continue to integrate the two previous forms and add more refinement to stepping with focus on explosive movements and advanced concepts in trapping. All these ideas to me are central to developing both a complete combat art and balance between the light and dark of body and mind. Cheers, Jack
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Post by PaulH on Mar 22, 2005 12:21:36 GMT -5
Well your poem reminds me of the “Rite of Spring” - a modern classical music piece. My peace and harmony is disturbed violently in the wakes of your sleeping Earth. So whatever you did, it’s pure Moonbird magic! =D Did you study WC also? Your comments are pretty good if you are just a casual observer. =)
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Post by moonbird on Mar 22, 2005 21:53:30 GMT -5
Well your poem reminds me of the “Rite of Spring” - a modern classical music piece. My peace and harmony is disturbed violently in the wakes of your sleeping Earth. So whatever you did, it’s pure Moonbird magic! =D Did you study WC also? Your comments are pretty good if you are just a casual observer. =) Happy you enjoy the chaotic meanderings of the moonbirds flapping dissonant melodies, now BRING ON the DANCING GIRLS!!! Its good to see no riots have ensued from these expressions, you and company have sage like patience, maybe I drank too much tea. Yes, I have learned a little bit of WC and BM, learned SLT, Chi Sao, trapping drills etc and did self teaching through video to learn what I could about CK, BJ and the Jong. I have my core training that is consistent and very repetitious, then I love to research and see connections between systems, I have also played around with concepts from LY, SPM and FWC. Yes I am a Jack of all trading hands master of none. I am Jacks curiosity. Thanks Jack
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