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Post by KPM on Feb 5, 2005 15:31:42 GMT -5
Hi Hendrik:
You wrote: However, it is still pointing toward muscle and biomechanics (which is a broad spectum of stuffs can means lots and lots of things and BTW how which ... ).
---No it doesn't mean "lots and lots of things" when considered in the context of doing WCK. Biomechanics and physiology follow basic science principles that are pretty well understood. :-) There may be more going on beyond that......but muscle and biomechanics are a starting point and cannot be negated.
It doesnt tell anything about How and with what the power generated. Beside muscle isnt it?
---It tells more than what you have told us so far! Please elaborate on the "besides muscle" aspect! That is what I have been wanting to hear about! :-)
I dont have tips and my question to all is always. do you spear or do you release and let it shoot out? Tensing the muscle means spear out.
---You can't move without tensing muscle. If you throw a punch with too much tension in the biceps, then this is indeed like driving with one foot on the brakes. But if you don't have the proper tension in the triceps, lats, and pecs, there won't be any punch to begin with! All analogies start to break down when you examine them too closely. Its better to talk in plain language. Shoot....spear......Let's just talk about what the body is actually doing. Then no one will be confused about anyone elses meaning.
Hey everyone here, share Share! your view is important!
---Come on Hendrik. You can't keep expecting people to share if you are unwilling to elaborate on your own opinions and ideas. Its a two-way street. You've been asking questions, but haven't been doing too well at answering the questions put to you. I'm still all ears. :-)
Keith
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Post by PaulH on Feb 6, 2005 3:55:15 GMT -5
The more I search deeply into the strange annals of WCK books and lores, I find one cannot learn nor earn "it" in spite of our vaulted towers of intellect nor incredulous feats of arms. To some of these charming old timers or sages of old, it is liken to a gift of grace bestowed only to a chosen few. You either have it or you don't. It is futile to talk much in the end, because you are not there yet and therefore you can't get it anyway!
Grace and patience be unto you, fellow grasshoppers! Remember me when you get lucky someday. =D
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Post by garuda on Feb 6, 2005 23:58:05 GMT -5
Hi Hendrik: ---Come on Hendrik. You can't keep expecting people to share if you are unwilling to elaborate on your own opinions and ideas. Its a two-way street. You've been asking questions, but haven't been doing too well at answering the questions put to you. I'm still all ears. :-) Keith Hi Keith, You see, human are very different. One can say a thing. and some will think it is said too much. and some will think what the heck you are talking about. and some will say you say nonsense. For example, if you have been in San Francisco. Then, while watching movie, you saw the goldern gate bridge. It doesnt even has to put the title "SAN FRANCISCO" There you know it is talking about san francisco. You dont interprete you just know. I post a bicycle in the first page of this discussion. and there are people email me and ask me about the Vertical Wave and Horizontal Waving of Wang Xiang-Zai classic. and some one started a " Hands Like Arrows Feet like wheel" discussion. So, lots of things is depent on experience, angle of viewing....etc. For those who has email me they said I have said enough. So, see, different people different views. I dont say which is right or which is wrong. I drop my thoughts and what others think are up for others to explore and investigate about Is it or is it not? Saying that, within your heart, I might have answered your question or I might not. That I have no control because I believe everyone is free for thier thinking and evaluation. and everyone is free to see things as they like and respected. BTW, you might want to use you eyes instead of ears
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Post by garuda on Feb 7, 2005 0:08:07 GMT -5
The more I search deeply into the strange annals of WCK books and lores, I find one cannot learn nor earn "it" in spite of our vaulted towers of intellect nor incredulous feats of arms. To some of these charming old timers or sages of old, it is liken to a gift of grace bestowed only to a chosen few. You either have it or you don't. It is futile to talk much in the end, because you are not there yet and therefore you can't get it anyway! Grace and patience be unto you, fellow grasshoppers! Remember me when you get lucky someday. =D Pual, I think I have post somewhere that the reason the Van Helsing's heart beat doesnt go irregular as count Dracula approach him in the movie Van Helsing is because Ven helsin doesnt have pre-judice or bias. He recognized Dracula as Dracula instead of "oh My God he is a vampire, he is a count (similar to Donarld Trump), or no way out!" IMHHO, martial art is also depend very strongly on be able to see "Dracula" as "Dracula". Thus, in the ancient time, it was said " one has to empty one's cup to taste the tea". That is Zen. and what it means is to see what it is as what it is. No intepretation. Once the personal conscious kicks in ten people can think about ten different things if you show them all the same simple rope. BTW. Mas Oyama also has a good description on his Zen and Karate of not thinking but seeing it all. "In a Zen state of mind, one thinks nothing. The mind is completely cleared of all intruding thoughts and emotions. The mind simply relaxes; it does not focus precisely on any particular detail. The mind focuses on nothing, yet perceives everything." www.diegobeltran.com/htms/oyama/oyamalegend.htmIMHHO, The bottom behind how to generate a shock power has no different with how a Tsunami was generated or how a rodeo horse propell its rider. A question to ask is that how is a rodeo horse bounce of its rider. Does the horse goes to Wudang to learn that? Does it has all the Qi Gong? Does any GURU horse teaches the horse how to bounce? and how is the Tsunami created? It is a part of nature. I told others I learn from nature. like the horse the Tsunami.... Some might believe some might not. So, IMHHO, it is more about being able to see what and how the nature presents. Intepretation always get us into trouble. So most of the time, it is ourself which block us. we dont see what infront of us, even we keep trying and trying very very hard. and I dont believe in Caste system because take Mas Oyama. He is Korean. How can he be this great if he has to be some insider? and I think he might a Wanna Bee of Miyamoto Mushashi because when he went to seclusion one of the Book he brought with him is written by Miyamoto. On the other hand, Wang Xiang-Zai the founder of Yee Chuan has written very detail on the Theory, process, and conditioning of how to develop Shock power. and it is in the book self of Chinese Book store. So, I dont believe in elite. I dont believe in speciallity. but I do believe one has to spend years and years or even decade and decade to find it. Because only that way one will totally trust the process and really become one with it. That, one has one's journey to get there where no one can substitude. That is one's own karma. Some might like the way how I view things. Some might hate my view. I respect and embrace thier view. Just some thoughts before my business trip. Have a great night.
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Post by PaulH on Feb 7, 2005 3:00:08 GMT -5
Thanks for your signposts, TXHYS! =) People will differ with each other on many things, but they will always trust one who is sincere, ernest, honest, and generous in soul.
In the utter quietness of the night, nothing else really matters in the unbroken silence. "Be still and know that I am God."
Peace, O\_
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Post by KPM on Feb 7, 2005 6:17:35 GMT -5
Hi Hendrik! and some will think it is said too much. and some will think what the heck you are talking about. and some will say you say nonsense. ---Put if you speak plainly, there is no doubt which is which! So, lots of things is depent on experience, angle of viewing....etc. For those who has email me they said I have said enough. So, see, different people different views. ---Sure. And I'll bet just as many people have thought "what is he talking about?" :-) I dont say which is right or which is wrong. I drop my thoughts and what others think are up for others to explore and investigate about Is it or is it not? ---But you have called things wrong. You said my discussion about K1 vs. heel pivoting was wrong....and then didn't really elaborate on a better understanding. You said my comments on biomechanics were wrong, and again...no elaboration or explanation. Saying that, within your heart, I might have answered your question or I might not. That I have no control because I believe everyone is free for thier thinking and evaluation. and everyone is free to see things as they like and respected. ---I agree. And everyone is free to ask questions or answer questions as they see fit. When you start or try to direct a particular discussion......but then refuse to answer questions.....it is no longer a discussion. If you are unwilling to elaborate on your ideas and viewpoints, what is there to discuss? BTW, you might want to use you eyes instead of ears ---I try to use everything....eyes, ears, fingertips....:-) Keith
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Post by chaotic2k on Mar 29, 2005 12:48:02 GMT -5
The short power comes from years of training. I teach a guy who already has it, born with it due to his natural abilty. Its just a way to get amazing strenght from a very close range. It can be trained in many ways. Wall bag is one of the best, Chi sau, but good strong chi sau, almost bounching off each other with each roll (keeping everything relaxed like a branch from a tree), training Lut sau Jit Jung - striking from close quater when you feel a gap in the chi sau. We use chest protectors because you end up devloping amazing power. The one in punch can be different, i think Bruce used it more as a party trick. If you watch him preform it, he uses his shoulder and turns into the person he hits. True 1 inch punch is applied with hardley any movment, and not leaning over as you hit, it comes from the ground! Also the wooden dummy is a great way of building up the short power, making contact and realising it. Its all a case of using the right muscle groups and having the floor behind your horse and punch. Its more a case of unlocking than devloping if that makes sense, unless your a natural. :
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Post by garuda on Apr 12, 2005 13:22:01 GMT -5
What is a short power?
That is similar to the second collision of a crashing car. The car stop at the first collision but the dummy without the safety belt continous to hit the wind sheild, brake the wind sheild, and project out of the car.
That force projectile of the second collision is called JING. it is a projection, propell a "throw" an issuing thus it Called Fa Jing as for Fa is project, issue..... that differentiate from HIT and crash Whip.....etc. it is a shoot out of force with a path or direction or track.
people always confuse a snap or jerk or whip ..... which is using to accelerate to pice through the target or an acceleration step as Zero inch power itself and not aware of the second collision is the Keng Geng or shock power or FaJing.
So, after the first collision, both car jam up and stuck. but there the 2nd collision is in the process...
That second collision is the 1/2 point of Wing Chun. When everything jam up and stuck, there the 1/2 points shows up. That is very different from trying to avoid collision which is an avoidable but be able to convert the impact of the first collision into the projection of the force of 2nd collision.
So why do one want to know about power generation and acceleration? that is to know how to generate, handle and convert the power. So why do one want to know about the snake body? that is to be able to do multi-directional acceleration and convert the first collision into the second.
IS one's SLT beable to condition the ability of generate the 2nd collision? absorve the collison side effect? convert the first collision force to the 2nd collison with a 6 directional force vector components?
And if you are aware of what is going on now about the Zero inch power. 1, be aware of compassionate to others too for hurting others will bring an action of hurting one own at the end. 2, it is not every training can reach to the 2nd collision for it might bring internal damage similar to even if one wear safety belt in the car collision, the shock still might cause one internal injury if not handling propelly. 3, 6 directional force vector components snake body is needed because one needs a efficient convertion, instead of an inefficient one where the residule force shock oneself.
Since it is a Buddhist art of praying to the buddha 3 times, aware of physical, emotional, and mind. not all what one knows can be used to serve one's little mind and ego or desire because compassionate constructive act yield much better then destructive macho egoisting act in a long run.
ultimately, Compassionate and love are stronger then any JIng or power. Thus, it was called the art of Wing Chun, praise the spring, sunshine and open heart and compasionate and not bragging about that 1/2 points. otherwise, it will call Praise the Winter where everything is dead. see, knife is not our father and mother because WCK is beyond that with the second collision. Why we need a holistic arrow platform? because in the first collision, a broken arrow platform will be crash and broken into pieces and there will not be a second collison possible where WCK perform.
The mother of WCK is AWARENESS. and that AWARENESS beside of AWARE of the Depth and possibilities in the realm of physical, emotional, and mental. Also equal importantly AWARE of Compassionate of not hurting others. ultimately we all are the same if we AWARE, we are just slaves to our own ego and identity if we are aware of. how is that free to hurt others instead of free ourself from our ego / identity master?
Thus I have heard.
Great power comes with great responsibility, and some times, we give up our dream because we need to do the right thing. ----- Spiderman 2.
I guess power is brought up to upgrade human capability and civilization with humanity. but not brought up to destroy each other.
Competition is about bring out the best of mankind and not about destroy it.
A story , a Movie, Thus I have heard. the story of the second collision generation or Zero inch power generation. a simple second collison which cannot be avoid in a car crash......
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Post by yy on Apr 13, 2005 12:48:55 GMT -5
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Post by PaulH on Apr 14, 2005 15:04:44 GMT -5
O Hendrik has done it again. =)
Your explanation is the best that I ever heard. Yup, the 2nd collision is very nasty. As a matter of fact I just get back to work today from a hurt back and neck due to the force of the second collision from a demo kick went awry about 7 days ago! You got to be very careful about its usage. Thanks, Hendrik!
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