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Post by pitbull on Nov 16, 2004 23:11:41 GMT -5
maybe bruce is the 'prototype' of many modern chinese 'attitude' now? torn from east and western philosophies and ways?
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Post by Suhana LIM on Nov 17, 2004 4:14:07 GMT -5
maybe bruce is the 'prototype' of many modern chinese 'attitude' now? torn from east and western philosophies and ways? Pitbull ni hao Your term "torn" reminds me of the old song by Mary Mac Gregor, " Torn Between Two Lovers." ......Torn between two lovers feeling like a fool loving both of you is breaking all the rules..... Cheers.
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Post by Kalista on Jan 18, 2005 23:49:13 GMT -5
"That being said, he himself espouses the concept of not sticking too close to rules or classical systems. Retain what is useful and reject the useless."
Basically as one of the old timer 4th generation "JKD'er" I'd say you nailed it. Lee's actual fighting method was constantly evolving and did not much resemble his theatrical JKD. Lee's actual method was usually to Enter, Trap and Go (finish).
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Post by Suhana LIM on Jan 19, 2005 4:09:49 GMT -5
"That being said, he himself espouses the concept of not sticking too close to rules or classical systems. Retain what is useful and reject the useless." Basically as one of the old timer 4th generation "JKD'er" I'd say you nailed it. Lee's actual fighting method was constantly evolving and did not much resemble his theatrical JKD. Lee's actual method was usually to Enter, Trap and Go (finish). Kalista ni hao Welcome and nice to know you. As a JKD practitioner, maybe you can let us know more about it. And what did you mean by "enter, trap and go?" Cheers.
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Post by Kalista on Jan 19, 2005 14:15:23 GMT -5
Sure.
Enter - (to bridge the gap- usually achieved w/footwork; in Lee's method, fencing modified by western boxing. Bruce had a tremendous initial burst (initiation speed).
Trap- wing chun "sticky hands" w/ Lee's own alterations- also modified w/ western boxing. He made generous use of Lop Sao and used it to keep you off balance. Lee's timing speed eventually evolved to where he was quick enough that he just moved off line (angulation) and hit; therefore he didn't need to trap as much.
Go- the finish -usually with a flurry of hits( off line hits or the straight blast ( like wing chun's chain punch) or just as often a grappling type conclusion like a jiujitsu choke , takedown etc.
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Post by Suhana LIM on Jan 20, 2005 3:47:15 GMT -5
Kalista ni hao
Thanks. What's the grading system in JKD?
Cheers.
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Post by Suhana LIM on Jan 20, 2005 4:14:21 GMT -5
Kalista ni hao
I don't mean to be rude, what is your comment about some people saying that late Bruce Lee didn't learn Wing Chun completely, that's why he created this JKD style? Once again, no offence. Just curious about this thing and I don't know JKD practitioner that I can ask.
Cheers.
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Post by Kalista on Jan 20, 2005 14:48:14 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with answering questions with the understanding that any "last words" about Bruce's art belongs to Sifu/Guro Danny Inosanto.
Ranking system- This one is easy, originally there was none. Then a system of "hand signed" (Bruce Lee) certificates for those promoted to instructor or who had completed certain phases of training ( Jun Fan). These are very rare and I believe Danny is the only living person that has one ( a JKD cert). Eventually, the phony JKD instructors began to show their ugly heads; hence a certification process was instituted along with the "Jeet Kune Do Society" which was to be a clearing house for those wanting to verify someone's status. The whole ranking thing eventually reverted back to a certification process- apprentice instructor, full instructor etc. depending on the individual sifu/guro issuing the certificate. Basically it boils down to this: if a guy claims he teaches JKD, his instructor should be easily traced back to Danny. For example I have a certificate to teach signed by my sifu/guro not Danny. Since the JKD family is still relatively small, a phone call or two should be able to verify someone's claims. Confusing ? Yeah, but remember Bruce didn't intend to "grow" the JKD family- JKD ultimately is a concept.
As to Bruce not knowing the "entire" system. Bruce did not "learn" the entire Mook Jong set (source Tim Tackett). Of course with Bruce's work ethic and ability he could freelance on the dummy and he could APPLY whatever he wished to on the unwilling.
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Post by Eric Ling on Jan 20, 2005 21:34:53 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with answering questions with the understanding that any "last words" about Bruce's art belongs to Sifu/Guro Danny Inosanto. Ranking system- This one is easy, originally there was none. Then a system of "hand signed" (Bruce Lee) certificates for those promoted to instructor or who had completed certain phases of training ( Jun Fan). These are very rare and I believe Danny is the only living person that has one ( a JKD cert). Eventually, the phony JKD instructors began to show their ugly heads; hence a certification process was instituted along with the "Jeet Kune Do Society" which was to be a clearing house for those wanting to verify someone's status. The whole ranking thing eventually reverted back to a certification process- apprentice instructor, full instructor etc. depending on the individual sifu/guro issuing the certificate. Basically it boils down to this: if a guy claims he teaches JKD, his instructor should be easily traced back to Danny. For example I have a certificate to teach signed by my sifu/guro not Danny. Since the JKD family is still relatively small, a phone call or two should be able to verify someone's claims. Confusing ? Yeah, but remember Bruce didn't intend to "grow" the JKD family- JKD ultimately is a concept. As to Bruce not knowing the "entire" system. Bruce did not "learn" the entire Mook Jong set (source Tim Tackett). Of course with Bruce's work ethic and ability he could freelance on the dummy and he could APPLY whatever he wished to on the unwilling. Hi kalista, Good to have a JKD player on board. I am a big fan of JKD but, to date; all my knowledge of this comes mainly from books/mags. Came close to meeting Danny Inasanto once. This was in Colorado where I was teaching. A good friend, Willem De Thouars, suggested that I should travel with him to meet Danny. I think Danny has some Kuntao/Silat connection with Uncle Bill. Well, I am really looking forward to you giving us some JKD goodies. Thank you.
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Post by Suhana LIM on Jan 20, 2005 23:03:43 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with answering questions with the understanding that any "last words" about Bruce's art belongs to Sifu/Guro Danny Inosanto. Ranking system- This one is easy, originally there was none. Then a system of "hand signed" (Bruce Lee) certificates for those promoted to instructor or who had completed certain phases of training ( Jun Fan). These are very rare and I believe Danny is the only living person that has one ( a JKD cert). Eventually, the phony JKD instructors began to show their ugly heads; hence a certification process was instituted along with the "Jeet Kune Do Society" which was to be a clearing house for those wanting to verify someone's status. The whole ranking thing eventually reverted back to a certification process- apprentice instructor, full instructor etc. depending on the individual sifu/guro issuing the certificate. Basically it boils down to this: if a guy claims he teaches JKD, his instructor should be easily traced back to Danny. For example I have a certificate to teach signed by my sifu/guro not Danny. Since the JKD family is still relatively small, a phone call or two should be able to verify someone's claims. Confusing ? Yeah, but remember Bruce didn't intend to "grow" the JKD family- JKD ultimately is a concept. As to Bruce not knowing the "entire" system. Bruce did not "learn" the entire Mook Jong set (source Tim Tackett). Of course with Bruce's work ethic and ability he could freelance on the dummy and he could APPLY whatever he wished to on the unwilling. Kalista ni hao Thanks a bunch for your explanations. Yes, it's so sad to see so many big ego individuals awarded themselves with various titles ;D IMHO, it's what in your head and muscles system that important. One of my suheng always says: "I AM NOT A MASTER, BUT IF THERE IS A MASTER WANTS TO EXCHANGING MOVEMENTS WITH ME, I AM MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO IT."
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Post by Kalista on Jan 20, 2005 23:52:26 GMT -5
Danny Inosanto is a martial arts wonder and a fine gentleman. He truly is one of the nicest people you'll ever meet. I have a friend that is a long time student of "Uncle Bill".
My "JKD/Kali" teacher, Ted Lucaylucay, passed away years ago. I continue to train and teach. I am currently studying xing yi. I am intrigued by the various White Crane systems which is what attracted me to this forum. I'm happy to share whatever I can.
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Post by Suhana LIM on Jan 21, 2005 4:23:10 GMT -5
Kalista ni hao
Do you know who are the direct students of late Bruce Lee?
Cheers.
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Post by Eric Ling on Jan 21, 2005 8:31:18 GMT -5
Uncle Bill and one of his students,Guru Keith Moffett. Remember many happy hours playing with Keith and his boys in Denver. An execellent Kuntao Silat Guru. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Kalista on Jan 21, 2005 13:08:19 GMT -5
Yes. There are a few, not as many as you think. To be a "direct student" of Lee's, you would be a "second generation " student. Obviously Danny Inosanto. Larry Hartsell (the premeire JKD fighter)would be one though his primary instructor would probably be Danny. Taky Kimura( senior to Danny) would be one. Ted Wong also. Some of the others like James Lee are deceased, some are inactive , others like Bob Bremer and Pete Jacobs are around but not as well known.
Bruce's students can be generally broken down into three groups:
1. The Seattle era (Taky Kimura is the "chief instructor now"). Modified Wing Chun/ Jun Fan arts
2. The Oakland era( James Lee now deceased). Though there are others . Primarily Jun Fan arts.
3. The L.A./ Chintown era. Danny Inosanto's etc. Danny by the way did a lot of the teaching for Bruce and organized much of the material.. Jun Fan arts/ JKD (circa 1967).
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Post by Suhana LIM on Jan 21, 2005 18:37:13 GMT -5
Kalista ni hao Jet Kune Do = Jun Fan , or Jun Fan = Wing Chun Jun Fan is Bruce's other name? What about Chuck Norris?, is he also Bruce's student? I need to know these information from the JKD practitioner first hand like you, because so many articles that I read about JKD sometimes confusing and IMHO they are just exploiting Bruce's legacy. Cheers.
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