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Post by Suhana LIM on Nov 8, 2004 4:03:03 GMT -5
Hungfist ni hao Lot of people take advantage of Bruce Lee's big name. I believe some of them are truly Lee's students. But the rest only try to "connect" themselves with the legend. Cheers.
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Post by Hungfist on Nov 12, 2004 12:50:21 GMT -5
Hungfist ni hao Lot of people take advantage of Bruce Lee's big name. I believe some of them are truly Lee's students. But the rest only try to "connect" themselves with the legend. Cheers. Bruce Lee believed in a 'brotherhood' of martial arts - so I think that means, if you are a true practioner of a style, then we are all connected in some way. I believe its part of mans nature to want to be connected to an ideal that is larger than himself. But you are right about one thing, there are a lot of posers that have no clue and just want to be tough guys.
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Post by Suhana LIM on Nov 12, 2004 19:48:22 GMT -5
But you are right about one thing, there are a lot of posers that have no clue and just want to be tough guys. Hungfist ni hao Brotherhood of Hoa Kiau all over the world, brotherhood of all martial arts practitioners. What an ideal and wonderful thing. But at the same time, we must also able to distinguish to individuals who will use this "brotherhood" for their own agenda and gain. Cheers.
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Post by pitbull on Nov 12, 2004 19:52:35 GMT -5
Bruce Lee believed in a 'brotherhood' of martial arts - so I think that means, if you are a true practioner of a style, then we are all connected in some way. I believe its part of mans nature to want to be connected to an ideal that is larger than himself. But you are right about one thing, there are a lot of posers that have no clue and just want to be tough guys. but he arrogantly boasted that he could beat anybody i california. i dont think that brotherly..just my opinion
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Post by konghan on Nov 12, 2004 23:59:56 GMT -5
Hungfist ni hao Brotherhood of Hoa Kiau all over the world, brotherhood of all martial arts practitioners. What an ideal and wonderful thing. But at the same time, we must also able to distinguish to individuals who will use this "brotherhood" for their own agenda and gain. Cheers. I think Bruce Lee became disillusion with himself. He had to struggle against racial prejudism & he tried to use his kung fu skill to break that barrier only to find out that many tcma in his area are not ready to open up their door to none chinese. In a way, I think he was force to start his own style becuase he needed to proove to the outside world how great chinese kung fu is. But if we look at jeet kun do the philisophy & fighting meathod are nothing new. Ex. the one inch punch, that technique has been around for centuries and can be found also in nck. The there is his kicks, which are no different from shaolin northern style kung fu.
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Post by Hungfist on Nov 13, 2004 17:22:18 GMT -5
but he arrogantly boasted that he could beat anybody i california. i dont think that brotherly..just my opinion I honestly did not know this, I watched a program the other day that heralded his 'brotherhood' concept and how he was trying to further the Martial Arts.
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Post by pitbull on Nov 13, 2004 20:15:25 GMT -5
hes actually great and he is my hero too...but the thing is he is arrogant. thats what got him into trouble...and not his teaching of non chinese,thats just his excuse to become popular...there have been some people teaching non chinese a few years earlier than him...linda lee also cashed in on his husband so pls NEVER beleive all that she says...maybe dan or taki...
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Post by Suhana LIM on Nov 13, 2004 21:34:58 GMT -5
hes actually great and he is my hero too...but the thing is he is arrogant. thats what got him into trouble...and not his teaching of non chinese,thats just his excuse to become popular...there have been some people teaching non chinese a few years earlier than him...linda lee also cashed in on his husband so pls NEVER beleive all that she says...maybe dan or taki... Pitbull ni hao I believe it's not good and wise to bad mouthing someone who has passed away. It's unfair, because the person can't defend his words and action. That's why in funeral, we usually asked to remember all the good things and forgive all mistakes that he/she made. Bruce Lee Siau Lung, for both his good and bad, contributed a lot to Chinese Martial Arts. Just focusing on good things that he had achieved and not following what we see as negative in him. When we see someone with good character, follow him. But when we see someone with bad character, check if we also share the same character with that person. Cheers.
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Post by pitbull on Nov 14, 2004 8:31:47 GMT -5
i dont see it as bad mouthing. its a fact....yes,he is my hero too,but i dont blindly follow him...things arent black and white...i for myself admire many people but being humans they have flaws in them...i admire kongming very much since my elementary school days...but he has his flaws too in the form that he procrastinates at times. following people blindly w/o wisdom is not good. and can make one biased. im not saying that im not free from personal biases but i can safely say that i keep it to the minimum to the best i can. arrogantly flaunting one's martial skill is not a virtue...if one beleives in his fighting style so much to make him say this he should help other people realize this through education and brotherly means and not y issuing such statements
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Post by konghan on Nov 14, 2004 10:58:48 GMT -5
The thing I admire in Bruce Lee was more on his movies not him personally, because in his movies he potrayed himslef as the strong chinese defending chinese culture & fighting agianst anti-chinese elements which was what it was in real situation, overseas chinese are look down & discriminated very much during that time.
But in real life Bruce was a different person, people & fans flock to Bruce Lee basically becuase of his movies couple with his martial skill but not his character.
But thats' what movies are for, it is to cater to the needs of the public & it must be something that is pleasant to be seen but it doesn't mean it is all real.
PS: an observation, jeet kun do seem to be present only in North America but not in Asia or in the Orient.
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Post by pitbull on Nov 14, 2004 17:44:04 GMT -5
as for me,its actually bruce's creativity and determination that i admire most...apart from the movies that is...
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Post by Eric Ling on Nov 16, 2004 9:35:48 GMT -5
So guys, At the end of the day, do you think what Bruce Lee did was good for CKF as a whole? Maybe I should ask a Wing Chun player; Was Bruce Lee a positive force as far as Wing Chun is concerned?
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Post by Seeker on Nov 16, 2004 13:33:29 GMT -5
I believe that Bruce Lee had a very positive effect not only for Wing Chun, but for CKF in general. At a time when martial arts were languishing in the U.S., (especially CKF), Lee came along and ignited a firestorm of interest in kung fu. There have been both positive and unfortunate consequences of this renaissance in America of kung fu. The unfortunate outcome is that the American kung fu world is filled with charletans, fakes, posers, and pretenders. The very positive consequence is that in America there are also many new and very talented kung fu practitioners and teachers, and they will take in the new and future generation of kung fu men and women who will perpetuate some very fine kung fu lineages which might otherwise have perished. So, while i cringe when i see poor "kung fu" done by self-proclaimed "grand masters," I am comforted by the knowledge that my Wing Chun and White Crane families will continue past me, and I am fully confident that my future students would make my families' founders proud. Without the attention brought to Wing Chun by Bruce Lee, i seriously doubt that my Wing Chun family branch would be here today. And if that were not so, then my personal exposure to White Crane would not have happened. (these are all very circular "what if" games!) So all in all, Lee helped preserve Wing Chun as an art at least, and perhaps even more CKF as well.
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Post by pitbull on Nov 16, 2004 17:24:38 GMT -5
same with seeker...
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Post by Eric Ling on Nov 16, 2004 22:25:14 GMT -5
I am comforted by the knowledge that my Wing Chun and White Crane families will continue past me, and I am fully confident that my future students would make my families' founders proud. Hi Chas, Reading your words, I am comforted that I have found someone to “represent” me in the US. And if things are meant to be, perhaps to take over “Fuzhou Ancestral Crane” from me and my Si-Hing. We are getting old, my dear friend. I see the Bruce Lee things a tad differently from you guys:- • Agree that he raised the profile of Chinese and CFK (especially Wing Chun) everywhere in the world. He is, to quote the late Ed Parker, “one in 2 millions”. • I. however, take issue with: - He skipped Yip Man’s wake in Hong Kong. For whatever reasons, I felt that he should have made an appearance. Yip Man, say what you like, was his mentor in Wing Chun. • His JKD – what is it actually? A system, a way or path or a personalized version of martial art? I think he left more questions than answers. Personally, I see it as an extension of Wing Chun. I am no expert so I could be 100% wrong! His biggest contribution, could perhaps, be his attitude. The way he probed and challenged “institutions” within CFK. Not saying that I agree entirely with his concepts but he did opened many doors. Most of the older folks are proud of his accomplishments but they all wished that he was more “Chinese” in some of his ways.
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