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Post by Suhana LIM on Oct 5, 2004 6:11:27 GMT -5
Da jia ni men hao Anyone can explain the connection between Wing Chun and Jet Kune Do ? Cheers.
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Post by Seeker on Oct 5, 2004 15:59:34 GMT -5
Suhana:
Bruce Lee's foundation in martial training was about 5 years of training with Yip Man Wing Chun in Hong Kong. He picked up some techniques and principles from many other arts to form JKD, but the foundation of JKD is essentially Wing Chun. If you read his treatise on JKD, The Tao of Jeet Kune Do, you will find that many if not most of his JKD principles/concepts are indististiguishable from those of Wing Chun.
That being said, he himself espouses the concept of not sticking too close to rules or classical systems. Retain what is useful and reject the useless.
just my take on it....
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Post by Suhana LIM on Oct 6, 2004 1:13:46 GMT -5
Seeker ni hao Thanks for the information. I've read few JKD books, I tought Daoism controbute a lot in it's principles. Cheers.
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Post by Suhana LIM on Oct 10, 2004 0:10:27 GMT -5
Da jia ni men hao
The following is an excerpt from the book "Wing Chun Martial Arts Principles & Techinques." By Yip Chun and Danny Connor Weiser Books 1993. Question and Answer section, page 103.
Q: What about the Jet Kune Do of Bruce Lee?
A: Bruce Lee was a born fighter as well as a film star. He understand both these things. He understand that it was not good for him to perform Wing Chun fight styles in movies as they were not good fighting styles for a movie. So in order to make a good kungfu movie he had to fight with a beautiful style, which is against the principles of Wing Chun. If he had performed Wing Chun in a movie his seniors would have given him a lot of criticism, so he was clever enough to avoid this by creating the style Jet Kune Do. "If I created the style, you cannot criticise it." Before Bruce Lee changed the name of his kungfu to Jet Kune Do, he asked for the agreement of Grandmaster Yip Man and I was present. He asked his permission to change the name of his kungfu to Jet Kune Do as it was making money. He was a clever guy and was respectful enough to ask Grandmaster Yip Man to make these changes because to make a movie and didn't want to cause problems for the Wing Chun families.
Cheers.
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Post by pitbull on Oct 10, 2004 7:00:27 GMT -5
actually...some fighting oriented kungfu dot look good in the screen...so i think mr lee did a great job..he understood what the audience wanted...
are the bruce lee comics still in print?
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Post by Suhana LIM on Oct 11, 2004 7:08:04 GMT -5
actually...some fighting oriented kungfu dot look good in the screen...so i think mr lee did a great job..he understood what the audience wanted... are the bruce lee comics still in print? Pitbull ni hao Kungfu movies often mislead people about what martial arts really is. Cheers.
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Post by Seeker on Oct 11, 2004 7:41:28 GMT -5
Da jia ni men hao So in order to make a good kungfu movie he had to fight with a beautiful style, which is against the principles of Wing Chun. If he had performed Wing Chun in a movie his seniors would have given him a lot of criticism, so he was clever enough to avoid this by creating the style Jet Kune Do. With all respect to the Yip Chun family, I think it would be an unfair simplification to say that Bruce Lee developed JKD specifically for shooting nice-looking kung fu in the movies. I think that there are some very sound principles to be found in JKD and to deem it just for movies would do Bruce Lee and all of his teachers a disservice. I actually think there is a medly of stuff in Bruce Lee's movies, including the rare bit of Wing Chun, and some of his other stuff as well, but not true, pure JKD. just my opinion...
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Post by Suhana LIM on Oct 15, 2004 22:18:23 GMT -5
Chas ni hao,
After Bruce Lee Siau Lung passed away. Any of his students who already inherited the style completely? Or they just continue practicing with their own ïnterpretations?" Cheers.
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Post by Seeker on Oct 16, 2004 3:10:00 GMT -5
I should preface my reply by saying that I am far from an authority on Bruce Lee and his JKD system. I only have a peripheral understanding of it, notably how it relates to Wing Chun.
My personal opinion is that JKD is (much like Wing Chun) really a collection of principles and concepts that Bruce Lee expressed through various specifics of techniques that were unique to Bruce Lee's personal experience. That someone could "inherit" Le's JKD is therefore almost impossible, because they could not possibly have experienced life and the martial arts the way Lee did. So it is fair to say that they practice JKD with their own interpretation, which I personally believe is exactly as Lee intended it!
just my opinion....
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Post by Suhana LIM on Oct 16, 2004 23:39:45 GMT -5
Chas ni hao What are Wing Chun family members think of JKD, is it bring good or bad for Wing Chun? Cheers.
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Post by Seeker on Oct 17, 2004 8:14:53 GMT -5
Chas ni hao What are Wing Chun family members think of JKD, is it bring good or bad for Wing Chun? Cheers. Suhana: I can only speak really for myself, but I sense that generally, Wing Chuners are somewhat proud of this half-brother of Wing Chun. I think that we enjoy picking out the clear Wing Chun aspects of Bruce Lee's JKD, as I imagine others enjoy seeing parts of their systems expressed in JKD. I myself am less a purist than some of my Wing Chun family, and I view JKD as wholly in the spirit of Wing Chun's principles. In fact, i would go almost so far as to argue that in JKD, Bruce Lee evolved Wing Chun a bit further. Having said that, i still strongly believe that one can get little from only training in "JKD." I believe that one needs a strong foundation involving strict regimen first. I believe that the essence of JKD really is that you build upon whatever base martial art you have, by freeing yourself from the constraints and forms you first learned. In short, i believe that JKD is really a system of training with an open mind. Some JKD'ers might hang me for saying that!
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Post by Suhana LIM on Oct 18, 2004 5:57:09 GMT -5
Chas ni hao I think for some people when they think of JKD , they will straight away think of Wing Chun. Because they know that Bruce Lee trained Wing Chun before he created his own JKD. And some people know JKD as Jun Fan Kungfu, it's from Bruce's name when he was little? Cheers.
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Post by Hungfist on Nov 6, 2004 18:22:58 GMT -5
I heard he also incorporated some of Muhammad Ali's boxing footwork into JKD. After I heard this I like to believe that I can see the influence of Ali in Lee's fighting.
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Post by Suhana LIM on Nov 6, 2004 22:23:10 GMT -5
I heard he also incorporated some of Muhammad Ali's boxing footwork into JKD. After I heard this I like to believe that I can see the influence of Ali in Lee's fighting. Hungfist ni hao Do you happen to know the book or any manual that mentioned this thing? But, if we observe the way Bruce Lee Siau Lung "dancing" , it's similar with the way Ali does it. Cheers.
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Post by Hungfist on Nov 7, 2004 0:54:55 GMT -5
Hungfist ni hao Do you happen to know the book or any manual that mentioned this thing? But, if we observe the way Bruce Lee Siau Lung "dancing" , it's similar with the way Ali does it. Cheers. There is some information here - www.bruceleecentral.com/bruceleepeople.htmThis isnt where I heard it - I think I originally heard it from someone I trained with.
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