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Post by Suhana LIM on Nov 9, 2004 3:24:32 GMT -5
Da jia ni men hao Two knuckles, three knuckles, or even five knuckles , whatever your choice, as long as the end result is optimum. Personally, I prefer what I've been taught and practiced, i.e. two kunckles. At the end of the day, (whichever) as long as they can serve us best. Cheers.
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Post by nothingness on Nov 9, 2004 13:49:04 GMT -5
Greetings,
What about using the palms, specifically the lower (futher from fingers) inside side of it. I somehow feel that the energy transfer is bigger with an open palm (hitting the lower ribs area).
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Post by Hungfist on Nov 9, 2004 16:47:50 GMT -5
Greetings, What about using the palms, specifically the lower (futher from fingers) inside side of it. I somehow feel that the energy transfer is bigger with an open palm (hitting the lower ribs area). I heard the fist is an illusion of power and the true power is in the open hand.
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Post by Eric Ling on Nov 9, 2004 17:01:50 GMT -5
I heard the fist is an illusion of power and the true power is in the open hand. Hi HungFist, Old kung fu saying :- "Rather take a punch and not take a palm. Rather take a palm and not take an elbow". These days (as I get older) I seems to be doing elbows more than anything else. Vertical, horizontal, circular, straight and launching from all angles/positions. Even going for long ranges by copying Muay Thai fashions. Actually the elbow is a standard White Crane weapon but I just love the way the Thais take people out with their flying elbows. So instead of doing "Flying Crane", I am doing "Flying Elbows". Murdered many banana trees along the way. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by pitbull on Nov 9, 2004 19:47:18 GMT -5
as per my opinion, a fist is to do damage externally while a palm is to do damage internally...but what i fear more is the foreknuckle stikes
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Post by Eric Ling on Nov 9, 2004 19:51:22 GMT -5
as per my opinion, a fist is to do damage externally while a palm is to do damage internally...but what i fear more is the foreknuckle stikes Pit, The elbows - total damage, I tell you.
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Post by Suhana LIM on Nov 10, 2004 3:00:05 GMT -5
Greetings, What about using the palms, specifically the lower (futher from fingers) inside side of it. I somehow feel that the energy transfer is bigger with an open palm (hitting the lower ribs area). Nothingness ni hao "Ciet ", that's for striking to the two hanging ribs. Cheers.
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Post by Suhana LIM on Nov 10, 2004 3:03:32 GMT -5
as per my opinion, a fist is to do damage externally while a palm is to do damage internally...but what i fear more is the foreknuckle stikes Pitbull ni hao Fist, palm, as long as we can properly execute them and chanelling chi, they can damage internally. Cheers.
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Post by MightBHooked on Nov 10, 2004 9:29:42 GMT -5
Great thread! It’s great hearing everyone’s way of striking with fist. I punch with the first two knuckles and also condition them by hitting the makiwara. Now my brother on the other hand, who is also a karate practitioner, uses and conditions the last three knuckles. For most karate practitioners, the main striking surface (with the exception of UechiRyu maybe) is the first two knuckles, aka the seiken (fore fist). One CMA practitioner that comes to mind is Pan Quin Fu, who punches and conditions with the two middle knuckles. In a documentary I had seen several years ago, Pan stated that he strikes iron 1000 times a day with his knuckles. Regards, Larry Click on picture
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Post by Seeker on Nov 10, 2004 10:05:03 GMT -5
Wow - that guy has some callouses! I don't think he'll be able to go undercover without being noticed with those knuckles.
Wing Chun trains the last two knuckles of the fist (the ring and little finger knuckles) for the simple reason that when contacting a target with these knuckles, the bones of the hand are aligned with the bones of the forearm, providing more structural integrity to the strike. Wing Chun feels that if any other knuckles were used, these bones would be un-aligned, and structurally weak, possibly breaking.
As is commonly taught in other systems, the fist is not clenched except at the very moment of impact with the target. This is done for maximum speed and energy transfer.
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Post by nothingness on Nov 10, 2004 12:01:28 GMT -5
Using elbow requires a strong power delivery and a heroic bravery ;D. Unless one is fully confident of his skills, it would be impossible to enter the elbow distance.
Don't get me wrong, I love elbow strikes, too. However, I just feel that doing "ciet" has the proper balance of power delivery and the flexibility to follow up with other attacks or guards if missed. This is just a personal preferance. Palms are also great for jaw and nose.
I am not sure about the chest area (near heart).
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Post by Hungfist on Nov 10, 2004 21:24:11 GMT -5
Hi HungFist, Old kung fu saying :- "Rather take a punch and not take a palm. Rather take a palm and not take an elbow". I always liked, "Hard against soft; soft against hard." One of my favorites has always been Reincarnation of the Hungry Crane.
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Post by konghan on Nov 11, 2004 19:34:33 GMT -5
A fist should be train to become flat all five knuckles even. Punching can come in different ways, but every good fighter will have a signature punch or knock out punch it may be a hook punch, a straight punch, a parrallel punch, or a twisting punch or a one inch punch.
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Post by Suhana LIM on Nov 11, 2004 21:26:51 GMT -5
A fist should be train to become flat all five knuckles even. Konghan ni hao Definetly agree with you in this matter. That's what my sifu encouraged us to do. But it's not easy task. This way is much better than make your knuckles skin thick. Sometimes if the skin too thick, they will come out. Actually to make the knuckles skin thick is not to difficult, just do push ups with your fist on top of a rough clothes. Not only thick, they will become black too. This is the method some of my friends used in the past. they didn't want to train in martial arts, but they want to gave impression that they also martial practitioners (for showing off) ;D
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