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Post by Eric Ling on Sept 22, 2004 8:09:59 GMT -5
Hi,
Any Silat Bangau Putih exponents out there ?
Thanks.
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Post by Suhana LIM on Sept 24, 2004 22:12:18 GMT -5
Eric ni hao Actually Bangau Putih (in Indonesia) is Chinese Martial Art, it is the same as your White Crane style. As you know, in the Suharto regime for more than three decades (mid 60s to late 90s), everything Chinese was banned. At that time, our Chinatown was the only chinatowns in the world where no Chinese characters allowed. It was something very sad for us, hua xiao, during that era. No Chinese based martial arts school were allowed, so the only way to survive was to "disguised" as the local pencak silat. That's why many Chinese bukoan put the term "silat". One of the major perguruan (school) pencak silat is founded by someone who actually got the knowledge and arts from one Chinese sifu. Later, he started his own perguruan and declared the art as pencak silat. Hope this info helps. Cheers.
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Post by kong on Oct 1, 2004 18:53:41 GMT -5
Eric ni hao Actually Bangau Putih (in Indonesia) is Chinese Martial Art, it is the same as your White Crane style. As you know, in the Suharto regime for more than three decades (mid 60s to late 90s), everything Chinese was banned. At that time, our Chinatown was the only chinatowns in the world where no Chinese characters allowed. It was something very sad for us, hua xiao, during that era. No Chinese based martial arts school were allowed, so the only way to survive was to "disguised" as the local pencak silat. That's why many Chinese bukoan put the term "silat". One of the major perguruan (school) pencak silat is founded by someone who actually got the knowledge and arts from one Chinese sifu. Later, he started his own perguruan and declared the art as pencak silat. Hope this info helps. Cheers. There is also silat martial art here that is consider a Filipino art, does this have any relationship & the same background with silat pencak of Indonesia?
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Post by Suhana LIM on Oct 1, 2004 19:20:32 GMT -5
There is also silat martial art here that is consider a Filipino art, does this have any relationship & the same background with silat pencak of Indonesia? Hi Kong ni hao I think they have the "relation" or at least influence from Indonesian Pencak Silat. We have to remember that some part of the Phillipines is close to Sulawesi (one of islands in Indonesia). Not only with the Phillipines, with Malaysia also they got the relation.Most the influences come from Sumatra style pencak. Cheers.
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Post by Suhana LIM on Oct 1, 2004 22:11:47 GMT -5
www.perisaidiri.or.id/index.php?page=who.htmDa jia ni men hao To see the Chinese martial arts "contribution" to the development of Pencak Silat, please read the above site. Perisai Diri is one of the biggest pencak schools in Indonesia. Hope this information will be useful. Cheers.
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Post by konghan on Oct 2, 2004 10:42:21 GMT -5
www.perisaidiri.or.id/index.php?page=who.htmDa jia ni men hao To see the Chinese martial arts "contribution" to the development of Pencak Silat, please read the above site. Perisai Diri is one of the biggest pencak schools in Indonesia. Hope this information will be useful. Cheers. Looking at the gallery of assorted pictures it seem their froms have great similariry with southern Fujian kung fu, there fighting stance, their guard position.
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Post by Suhana LIM on Oct 2, 2004 23:55:10 GMT -5
Konghan ni hao That's why I mentioned earlier that Chinese martial arts played a very important role and influenced on Pencak Silat. The problem is they prefer not to openly admited this fact Cheers.
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Post by kriss on Oct 29, 2004 8:46:10 GMT -5
Hmm there is little information on filipino silat because it isn't openly taught and stays inside the clan. Some masters who traveled around found that there are similarities with some silat forms found in Sumatra, Johore, Brunei, Sabah and Sulawesi.
Out of curiosity are there many dynamic tension exercises in white crane kung fu? Somebody once told me our silat tensioning exercises look like those of white crane kung fu.... Thanks.
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Post by Suhana LIM on Oct 29, 2004 19:12:38 GMT -5
Hmm there is little information on filipino silat because it isn't openly taught and stays inside the clan. Some masters who traveled around found that there are similarities with some silat forms found in Sumatra, Johore, Brunei, Sabah and Sulawesi. Out of curiosity are there many dynamic tension exercises in white crane kung fu? Somebody once told me our silat tensioning exercises look like those of white crane kung fu.... Thanks. Da jia ni men hao To be honest, most of silat sources are the Chinese diasporas around the SE Asia. No wonder we can see so many similarity in their movements. Cheers.
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Post by kriss on Oct 30, 2004 11:52:22 GMT -5
In the southern Philippines (muslim regions) very old chinese martial arts called Kuntao-Kuntaw-Kuntau can be found (actually the name kuntao-kuntaw... is also used to name some styles of silat). Many chinese merchants and their bodyguards settled there, especially in the Sulu sultanate, and introduced their martial arts. The locals preserved those arts (under different names) and made them their own.
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Post by Suhana LIM on Oct 30, 2004 22:50:02 GMT -5
In the southern Philippines (muslim regions) very old chinese martial arts called Kuntao-Kuntaw-Kuntau can be found (actually the name kuntao-kuntaw... is also used to name some styles of silat). Many chinese merchants and their bodyguards settled there, especially in the Sulu sultanate, and introduced their martial arts. The locals preserved those arts (under different names) and made them their own. Da jia ni men hao Kuntao means "punch" in Fujian (Hokkian) dialect. The word Kuntao when translated into the Chinese official language or Kuo Yu/Mandarin becomes "Juen Tho" which means, "Punch." Self defence is insteasd "Juen Su" since "Su" means "Knowledge" (thus knowledge of the punch). However, in South East Asian countries the Chinese community mostly used the Fujian (Hokkian) dialect because the first and majority of them came from the Fujian province where the dialect is spoken. Therefore, the term "Kuntao" in its broader albeit mistaken, meaning of self defence became common also in Indonesia( and other SE Asian countries ) and it was soon used as synonym for silat. Cheers.
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Post by Eric Ling on Oct 31, 2004 19:28:00 GMT -5
Hi Suhana, Just to expand a little on what you described regarding kuntaw etc…. Kun is fist in Fukien Taw is head in Fukien So to say kuntaw is to refer to the head of the fist. However the more common expression is “Kuntaw bu” or “mother of the fist”. There is also another version of kuntaw and that is kuntao. Kun here is also fist but Tao is Dao or the way. Kuntao then now becomes “the way of the fist”. This terminology is used mainly in the US. Regarding Chinese influence; most of the silat players that I’ve met are not denying their Chinese elements. Bangau Putih folks are very opened about their Chinese roots. The beauty, for me, is to observe their expressions of the crane.
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Post by Suhana LIM on Nov 1, 2004 5:30:47 GMT -5
Hi Suhana, Regarding Chinese influence; most of the silat players that I’ve met are not denying their Chinese elements. Bangau Putih folks are very opened about their Chinese roots. The beauty, for me, is to observe their expressions of the crane. Eric ni hao The Bangau Putih founder and his family are Chinese. Have you meet them, and if yes, is their style same as yours? Cheers.
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