Post by Gojumaster on Sept 22, 2004 21:55:56 GMT -5
We train Chin-na in Goju-Ryu, through primarily two methods: exploration of the application of forms, or through push-hands.
We call our push-hands "kakie", and the basic version is very similar to that performed in, for example, Yang Taiji. This drill is practiced on multiple levels for various reasons:
-Training the root -Training the waist -Training for pushes and throws -Training footwork -Training Chin-na and anti-Chin-na
In utilizing push-hands for training Chin-na, the application of Chin-na is training particularly for entering and setting up the chin-na offensively at various stages of the push or defensively, while receiving a push.
Post by Eric Ling on Sept 24, 2004 18:49:15 GMT -5
A little background on Chin Na:
The Chin Na arts history can be traced back to the beginnings of the Chinese martial arts during the period of Bodhidarma and the 18 Lohan hand movements. However, credit is usually attributed to General Yueh Fei, who was a General during the Sung Dynasty (960-1279 AD)under Emperor Chao Kuang Yin. General Yueh Fei had created a style of martial arts that he called "Eagle Claw". He had developed this system from the external side of the Shao Lin Temple kung fu systems. General Fei's troops quickly gained a formidable reputation which brought Yueh Fei's Eagle Claw system acceptance within the martial community. Chin Na was a major part of the Eagle Claw system and has been attributed with the success of the system. For these reasons Chin Na's relevance and effectiveness was brought more to the forefront of the Chinese martial arts systems. From here the art disappeared from record until the Ming Dynasty (1368 - 1644 AD) when a monk by the name of Li-Chuan developed a style that he called (and is still taught today) Fan Tzu Ien Jao. He developed this style by using a combination of the Eagle Claw style and the Fan Tzu style.
From there Fan Tzu Ien Jao was passed down from generation to generation. The Eagle Claw system was introduced into the Shanghai Chin Woo Association in 1924 when a Master of Fan Tzu Ien Jao named Chen Tzu-Cheng was invited to teach there. He taught there until 1929, afterwards a student whom had traveled with him, Lieu Men-Far stayed behind to become a famous Eagle Claw instructor within the Chin Woo Association until his death in 1964.
It is important to note that although Yueh Fei deserves credit for bringing this art to light, this was not the only system to practice and teach Chin Na techniques and principles. Yueh Fei learned his Chin Na from a Shao Lin Temple monk named Chou Ton. He learned both internal and external principles of the Chinese arts from Chou Ton. There have been many Chin Na techniques taught within the original Five Animal systems as well as Tai Chi, Hsing-I, and Ba Gua from the beginning and still are.
I first started learning Shaolin Qin Na Shou in the "70. When I studied Mantis, there were Gou Luo Cai Gua. There are a lot Mantis hooking (Diau) hand to start Qin Na in Tang Lang.
I studied Tai Ji Qin Na in the '80.
Actually Qin and Na are in every school of Wushu. |
i am in agreement with Wanderer, Qin Na techniques and applications are a part of most Kung fu styles, even with Long Fist which is mostly kicking and hand strikes, i was also taught some Qin Na. It is a very valuable knowlege not just with knowing different grabs and takedowns, but more scientifically of how the body moves and what are the limits.
Evolution is such a term which sounds awful in the ears of a traditionalist. That’s, I had much problems with that. The question is, is it really that negative? From early seventies I practice the martial arts intensively, and so was taught the Kum La (Qin Na) as done in Karate Do systems and Indonesian Kun Tao. In 1976 – 1980, specific Pak Mei skills were taught to me, and later my teacher taught me some of it as done in Nam Siu Lam Hung Ga Kuen.
In 1998 my advanced student Michel – from Indonesian origin - did follow several workshops of yang Jwing Ming. His arms are still in my memory. Heavily bruised, lots of pain, and high skilled! I asked him to teach two techniques to the students. It was clear that the analysis were in the slightest detail, perfect. As a physiotherapist, I could follow the logic, and the sensations were awful. I was faced with a high quality that I never reached. The effect was much clearer then what I did, or could reach. As a teacher of a wholistic system, this is painful too. I motivate him to continue this study and frequently teach it to the other students. One of the main goals is to improve the quality of my students. We are doing the same technique, only I will launch several techniques at one time, while my Sihing can control his opponent better then I can.
And so it happens that we are not closing our eyes for higher skills from outside our branch.
My teacher created [recently] workshops for his students: beginners, intermediate and advanced Qinna. A good and focused step to spend specific time on this important skill. So much to focus on in your lessons, and so much to cover. A lifetime …………