Wanderer
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Post by Wanderer on Sept 28, 2004 9:19:38 GMT -5
How do you sense Jin?
In Tai Ji Push Hand (Twei Shou)?
In Wing Chun Chi Sao (sticking hand)?
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Post by nothingness on Sept 28, 2004 10:40:47 GMT -5
I can't really describe it, but I think it has something to do with sensing the intentions in general. Sensing the movement is similar with sensing if someone has a bad intention on us.
The more expert the person is, the more he is like the cloud (or the water); we think we can sense and see it, but we sense nothing. From my experience, an advanced internal master usually has this kind of "aura" and I think it is really scarry (although they are usually very polite and nice ;D).
I still have so much things to learn ...
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Post by pitbull on Sept 28, 2004 18:09:19 GMT -5
as far as ngo chor kun goes...we tend to establish hand contact then once it is in contact stay and stick to the hand..thru the hand you can feel his intentions,wether eh wants to retreat or advance...attack right or left. easily said than done but this is the way it goes. my mentor once told me that this technique i likened to a thingyroach's antennae...you feel the subtleties of the body..he does uses it to great success...must be all those 40+ years of training
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Post by Wanderer on Sept 29, 2004 9:26:55 GMT -5
There are fixed step (Ding Bu) and moving step (Fo Bu) Push hand drills in Tai Ji Quan. There are single hand (Dan Shou) and both hands (Shuan Shou) drills. Fixed step single hand; (Ding Bu Dan Shou Twei Shou) You move your hand in a vertical circle and a horizontal circle with wrists or forearms in contact. You practice slowly, faster and then at random speed. In the vertical circle, you sense forward, backward, upward, downward and combined Jin's. In the horizontal circle, you sense the leftward, rightward, forward, downward and combined Jin's. You try to feel and sense the opponent's Jin in movement, your own Jin and the interaction from sticking together. Hew, need to write a book about it.  |
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Post by Wanderer on Oct 4, 2004 14:05:34 GMT -5
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Post by oldragon on Oct 22, 2004 23:09:50 GMT -5
Interesting & important topic.
I believe the way to sense Jin, is to begin by standing practice. assuming you know the fundamentals of standing, ( breath, structure, internal reeling ) then find your own jin & work with it. We have an exercise while facing an opponent, close enough to touch him with the palms. both with hand at sides, both SLOWLY raise hands & move them toward opponents centerline. See who can uproot or unbalance the other without external force. In a short time, each will realize who has taken control without really taking the movement too far.
mentally try to take control before raising hands.
This refines regular push hands practice.
In a sense, it takes you backward to your source.
Try it, lots of fun !
In Tao,
Oldragon
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Post by Om on Jan 19, 2005 23:42:21 GMT -5
Just sense with your skin but not with your muscle.
The problem usualy for 99% of the people is they have to undo the tension of every part of thier body and the habitual tensing when they touch something.
Sensing doesnt need to learn.
un tensing is the learning. The training is about getting rid of tensing not about learn how to sense.
There is no magic at all.
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Post by Suhana LIM on Jan 20, 2005 5:29:10 GMT -5
Om ni hao
Welcome to the forum. Can you be more specific please?
Cheers.
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Post by Om on Jan 20, 2005 11:01:01 GMT -5
Jin itu tenaga ber direksi. Kadang kadang juga jin di palsu dengan tenaga tidak ber direksi.
Karena itu. sensing Jin hanya perasaan semua tenaga. Berdireksi atau tidak berdireksi.
Dan, perasaan itu serupa dengan antena menangkap gelombangan.
perasaan itu adalah kesadaran. Kesadaran itu natural tidak usah di latih. apa yang harus di latih hanya lepasi stress di badan. kalau stress di badan hilang , badan omatis ada perasaan semua tenaga di sekitar nya.
harap kamu ngerti semuanya ini tidak ada magik. semua
nya karena kesadaran dan lepasi stress.
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Post by Eric Ling on Jan 20, 2005 11:20:36 GMT -5
Jin itu tenaga ber direksi. Kadang kadang juga jin di palsu dengan tenaga tidak ber direksi. Karena itu. sensing Jin hanya perasaan semua tenaga. Berdireksi atau tidak berdireksi. Dan, perasaan itu serupa dengan antena menangkap gelombangan. perasaan itu adalah kesadaran. Kesadaran itu natural tidak usah di latih. apa yang harus di latih hanya lepasi stress di badan. kalau stress di badan hilang , badan omatis ada perasaan semua tenaga di sekitar nya. harap kamu ngerti semuanya ini tidak ada magik. semua nya karena kesadaran dan lepasi stress. Hello Abang, Bulleh tulis English tak ? Orang Putih tak faham Bahasa. Susah lah. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by Om on Jan 20, 2005 11:56:45 GMT -5
orang di SEA semua tahu Malay ?  Tolong Translasi lah. ;D |
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Post by essence on Jan 20, 2005 14:47:36 GMT -5
Good day people.
My experience, for what it is worth. I believe sensing Jin requires work, to experience the different sensations you will feel when the opponent directs a force at you. Sensitivity training is important, the more you allow yourself to experiment while touching hands in a training environment, the more you will be able to sense what is happening.
We do an exercise called Chai Sao, which teaches us to sense when someone is throwing an attack at you and how to deflect and redirect that energy. Changing the speeds and strength used changes the exercise. It is also an excellent exercise to build up shoulder strength.
Warmest regards,
Tze Hou
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Post by Suhana LIM on Jan 20, 2005 23:08:11 GMT -5
Jin itu tenaga ber direksi. Kadang kadang juga jin di palsu dengan tenaga tidak ber direksi. Karena itu. sensing Jin hanya perasaan semua tenaga. Berdireksi atau tidak berdireksi. Dan, perasaan itu serupa dengan antena menangkap gelombangan. perasaan itu adalah kesadaran. Kesadaran itu natural tidak usah di latih. apa yang harus di latih hanya lepasi stress di badan. kalau stress di badan hilang , badan omatis ada perasaan semua tenaga di sekitar nya. harap kamu ngerti semuanya ini tidak ada magik. semua nya karena kesadaran dan lepasi stress. Om apa kabar Saya bisa ngerti , tapi ada istilah yang beda dengan bahasa melayu di negeri jiran (indo) ;D Jadi maksudnya jin itu lebih ke perasaan? salam |
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Post by Om on Jan 20, 2005 23:47:05 GMT -5
The bottom line is about Kesadaran or Awareness. if the Kesadaran kuat then perasaan or feeling will be sensitive.
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Post by Suhana LIM on Jan 21, 2005 4:24:53 GMT -5
The bottom line is about Kesadaran or Awareness. if the Kesadaran kuat then perasaan or feeling will be sensitive. Om ni hao Banyak-banyak terima kasih atas penjelasannya. salam. |
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