Mui fa dao

[namsiulamkuen]

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With reference to mui fa dao, a horizontal cut is made, followed by a jump and a change of direction. Prior to the cut, the sword is layed on top of the hand. Is that correct, if so what is the purpose/technique of this?


Mui fa ji mo do is referred to as the four monks. Are there four forms. I am aware of two. Have they different names.

NSLK

[Nataraya]

Greetings,

Skills of the saber can be brought back in keywords, a basic way to present the techniques of this particular weapon. ‘Cutting’ is such a keywords, which again, can be executed in several ways. In our Plum blossom Saber form, this particular action (changing direction/ or road) is a trademark of this form. Generally speaking, you can state that every sharp weapon should be brought back with a cutting action. Although it is lesser emphasized then for instance the Giem/ Jian play. To understand the application, you need to link it with the previous movements to understand the combo.

Ji Mo Do is also, part of the Plum Blossom system. It was always taught to me that this weapon was presented as the “Four Monks”, in fact explaining the four levels of skill. I am very pleased to have footages of the ‘third’ monk as done by my late Sibak. A VERY long form, with the length of Gung Ji Fook Fu Kuen.

These weapons are not related to Hung Kuen. Every Hung Kuen branch seems to have its own arsenal of weapons, derived from other systems. On SFO you can follow a thread about the Butterfly knives.

Warm regards,

Evert.

[namsiulamkuen]

Evert

It was not the cutting action I was questioning, but the laying the sword flat on the back of the hand, prior to cutting. Is there a reason for this? Why do we do it? Why not just go straight into the cut/jump action. Or have I misunderstood you statement.

NSLK

[Nataraya]

Mui Fa Daan Do consists of 18 keywords, known as; pushing, pressing, lifting, strong block, overhead block, dragging, pointing, hacking, flicking, cutting, intercepting, hiding, horizontal cut, hooking, slicing, sweeping, etceteras.

One of the combo’s seen in MFDD is: pointing (Diem Do), Flicking (Pung Do), and horizontal cut (Jaam Do). Pointing is a very precise way of stabbing, and can be translated as Diem Do. In this combo, I see the horizontal cut as a kind of “Sepuku”. First you stab the person in the organs, flicking upward to penetrate Heart and Lungs, and finally turn the blade in the body to free the Intestines and Kidneys…….

I believe that the left hand (in the form) have more a aesthetical function then a real functional pressing one. I would suggest that the keyword pressing ( On Do) play an role too.

Hope to have answered your question?

Kindest regards,

Evert.

[Eric Ling]

Nataraya said:

Mui Fa Daan Do consists of 18 keywords, known as; pushing, pressing, lifting, strong block, overhead block, dragging, pointing, hacking, flicking, cutting, intercepting, hiding, horizontal cut, hooking, slicing, sweeping, etceteras.

One of the combo’s seen in MFDD is: pointing (Diem Do), Flicking (Pung Do), and horizontal cut (Jaam Do). Pointing is a very precise way of stabbing, and can be translated as Diem Do. In this combo, I see the horizontal cut as a kind of “Sepuku”. First you stab the person in the organs, flicking upward to penetrate Heart and Lungs, and finally turn the blade in the body to free the Intestines and Kidneys…….

I believe that the left hand (in the form) have more a aesthetical function then a real functional pressing one. I would suggest that the keyword pressing ( On Do) play an role too.

Hope to have answered your question?

Kindest regards,

Evert.

Errrh, sorry to be a busybody here; you guys got a picture of this technique?

"Cutting" = ? in Mandarin or Cantonese.

Thanks.

[Nataraya]

I am sorry, but making such a compilation is a lot of work. Besides the fact that it is a 'crime', to catch a good snapshot from a video clip. So, the horizontal cut/ slice is not really good seen.

1. High block and heart penetrating palm, preperation for,

2. Hacking down with violence,
3. stabbing with precision = pointing (diem), plexus solaris.
4. once penatrated, you move the point upwards. Note that the point of the Daan Do is sharp on both sides, penatrating the diaphragm + heart/ lungs,

5. Turning/ rotating the blade towards horizontal position, while taking a piece of the Liver/ Gallbladder with you, for diagnozing his condition,

6. Then with pressure (from your left hand), you 'cut' (if it is a violent way) or 'slice'( if you like the opponent to suffer), through the spinal column, and let the other Intestines fall out, while rotating the body in the other direction so that you will not 'face' the mess you made...... And walk away to drink some Carlsberg.

I am sorry Eric, but I can not make this picture more clear then this....... Do you feel what I mean now?
Prosit!

Healthy wishes,

Evert.

[Eric Ling]

“Turning/ rotating the blade towards horizontal position, while taking a piece of the Liver/ Gallbladder with you, for diagnozing his condition,”<br>
I’ll remember NOT to buy you a Dan Dao for Christmas, you sicko!

Don’t know about the function in your sequence shown.

In the Dan Dao that I do, the left hand is commonly used:-

1. When you do a “pushing” technique either with tip facing up or down. If I ward of a long weapon, I could push the cutting blade along the weapon into opponent’s hand/body. This is done with a skipping forward kind footwork. The left hand now played the important role of directing and reinforcing the Dao.
2. In the picture, you don’t look like you are using the left hand to push the Dao into the cutting technique. We do that quite often. This is usually done from the left side of the body like how the Japanese unshield their katanas. The Dao, in this case, don’t stop at the right side of the body but instead goes around the head.

I must say that I have always liked the way the Cantonese do their Dan Dao. Very flowing and fluid in their twistings and turnings. I do a couple of Chou Jia Dan Dao and I especially love the long opening salutation.

My favorite Dan Dao form is, however, a Northern set.

Jin Woo’s “Snowflakes blade” or “Xue Pian Dao”.

[Nataraya]

Dear Eric,

That was the question of 'namsiulamkuen'. During the changing of direction the sword is kept flat at the dorsal side of the hand, instead of pushing it. That's why I refer to aesthetic, instead of functional. I show functionality during application and the partnerform: Mui Fa Spear versus Mui Fa Daan Do.

At other localtions of the form, there is a more clear cutting skills.

Mui Fa Daan Do is a wonderful routine, with approximately 100+ actions. Classified under Tiger, sometimes creating high speed and enormous explosions.

We have also a Mui Fa Seung Do, or double Saber form. In it you will find a 'ground rolling part' while hacking to the legs that surround you.

Warm rgerads,

Evert.

[DF]

Forgive me if I am out of line because I dont do the mui fa doa, however the doa has always been my favorite weapon. Single saber watches the hand ,double watch the footworks; from the pic that i see, it looks like the free hand is guiding and pushing the doa for the cut that follows, a push for extra power one might say. As I said I know nothing of this form, if I am out of line please acept my apology.

DF

[Nataraya]

Dear Dixon,

You touched the exact 'keyword' for this action, although it is NOT one of the 18 characters. I have seen LOADS of performances, and many of them failt in the function of the left arm, the guiding function.

As I said, the application that I use the 'guiding' hand will get a more pressing function. While in demonstration it is indeed more a guiding hand. Thank you!

Kindest regards,

Evert.