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Post by pitbull on Mar 9, 2005 23:24:47 GMT -5
is that jimmy baba doing te swat?
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Post by pitbull on Mar 9, 2005 23:25:49 GMT -5
crane hands/fingers monkey palm lohan feet damo body taizu strikes
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Post by konghan on Mar 10, 2005 12:09:41 GMT -5
is that jimmy baba doing te swat? yup, that is him. Te swua is very powerful when done properly, it consist of scsissor attack front and after landing quickly reverse and scissor attack at the rear. Very good defense against multiple attacker by staying on the ground whirling and twisting.
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Post by konghan on Mar 10, 2005 12:15:33 GMT -5
crane hands/fingers monkey palm lohan feet damo body taizu strikes I personally kind'd like to look at it this way: 1. crane = hand technique, whipping, eye poke, and a bit of chin na. 2. monkey = mobility, agility, quickness and awareness. 3. Tai cho = powerful leg techniques that include round house, front kick, side kick, knee strike, reverse kick, back kick, scissor kicks, sweeping and etc. 4. Lo han = foot work, proper distancing, proper timing( float like a butterfly sting like a bee principle of Muhammed Ali) 5. Da Mo = breathing, developing the "qi" to enhance iron body as well as energy focusing and control.
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Post by Eric Ling on Mar 10, 2005 20:13:33 GMT -5
Hi all NCK brothers and sister (Suhana of course!)..
I am not NCK but I like to think of myself as a cousin.
At least I did 3 of the styles, so brilliantly, built-in into your 5 Chos.
So when I comment, please remember I am not speaking as a NCK player.
My take:-
• White Crane – I see much of the whipping and shaking in the various NCK that I have personally experienced. I posted some NCK pics and asked for comments for their “cranenesss” because as a Crane player, they look all crane to me. All the palm works must be matched by “entire backbone” jin power for maximum damage to your opponents. I have seen, with my own eyes, a NCK performance in Singapore whereby a guy was thrown all the way after taking a palm strike push to the ribs – awesome!! And every time, the entire body is used to generate such jin, it shakes. I noticed that this series of palm work (in the pics) are called “Yao Chiu” or “shaking hands” so I reckoned it might be linked to the “Ho”.
• Tai Chor – I have long suspected that your Tai Chor element could be more “Northern”. Talk to the old Sifus in Singapore and you’ll hear NCK described as “Pei Ho Chiu, Tai Chor Kar”. White Crane hands and Tai Chor legs? The Southern Tai Chor that I do is typical Fukien CKF training hard bridges and strong bodies through San Chiem. Kicking is pretty much standard Southern. So why Tai Chor Kar? Unless, we are talking about Tai Chor’s Northern brother. There, yes, you’ll see a full range of kicks.
• Lohan – my understanding of Lohan is like Konghan’s; training to be stronger, faster and more aggressive than my opponent. Being fast here is about efficient footwork and hand techniques co-ordination. Able to close gaps and unleash fast hands and move again. Personally among the Southern styles, I view Lohan as having the longest range. In this category, I would include CLF and Lama Pai and Lama related styles. So to say Lohan footwork is not too far off the mark.
• Monkey – I think this is a no-brainer. Monkey fighting is monkey fighting no matter where you encounter this. The agility, sudden change of directions and switching gates are all hallmarks of this style. In the monkey fighting that I do, we concentrate on fighting your 5th and 6th gate. And the 6th is ground fighting.
• Tamo – As far as I know – internal training. Shaolin would place his as one of their highest arts. Training internal strength and expressing with palm and fingers. Even up till these days, it is not easy to get Shaolin folks to openly talk about this skill set.
So folks, please be kind. My understanding of NCK is really like a novice’s. Meeting Sifu Xiong was such a thrill for me. I get to pick his brains…..hehehe
Thank you.
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Post by Fatman on Mar 10, 2005 20:51:57 GMT -5
Maybe it is just a difference in lineages, but what I have been taught matches with what Serge said. Monkey feet, white crane hands, lohan posture, Damo's breathing, and Tai Chor's efficiency and accuracy. Doesn't matter too much does it?
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Post by nothingness on Mar 10, 2005 21:28:51 GMT -5
It will come to the old versus new NCK theory again. It doesn't matter, we are still brothers . What matters we enjoy the training of it.
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Post by Eric Ling on Mar 10, 2005 22:15:53 GMT -5
Of course we all enjoy the sweating, bruisng and bleeding that is Kung Fu. But like I always say to my students here; the sitting around, sipping tea and talking about histories, cultures and traditions is equally enjoyable. Frankly, I miss all my Sifus (passed) most when I think about these after training sessions. Ooookay, I will be posting the 5 Chos - one by one here. Note : these pics are from GM Kan Teck Guan's line. Starting with Tai Chor.
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Post by Suhana LIM on Mar 11, 2005 4:05:16 GMT -5
Hi all NCK brothers and sister (Suhana of course!).. I am not NCK but I like to think of myself as a cousin. At least I did 3 of the styles, so brilliantly, built-in into your 5 Chos. So when I comment, please remember I am not speaking as a NCK player. So folks, please be kind. My understanding of NCK is really like a novice’s. Thank you. Eric Piao Mei / Female Cousin ni hao Ok, so now you consider yourself as our Piao Mei. Welcome to the Ngo Cho big family. I appreciate your honesty, stating that you do at least 3 (three) styles. Let me do rough calculation here. To really master one style, normally it will take 15 years of continous hard training. If you started the training at the age of 10, so you are in your mid 50 years? That's why , we all Ngo Cho practitioners are very lucky to inherit Five Major Famous Styles in one go. Cheers.
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Post by Eric Ling on Mar 11, 2005 4:12:40 GMT -5
Hi all NCK brothers and sister (Suhana of course!).. I am not NCK but I like to think of myself as a cousin. At least I did 3 of the styles, so brilliantly, built-in into your 5 Chos. So when I comment, please remember I am not speaking as a NCK player. So folks, please be kind. My understanding of NCK is really like a novice’s. Thank you. Eric Piao Mei / Female Cousin ni hao Ok, so now you consider yourself as our Piao Mei. Welcome to the Ngo Cho big family. I appreciate your honesty, stating that you do at least 3 (three) styles. Let me do rough calculation here. To really master one style, normally it will take 15 years of continous hard training. If you started the training at the age of 10, so you are in your mid 50 years? That's why , we all Ngo Cho practitioners are very lucky to inherit Five Major Famous Styles in one go. Cheers. Actually started family's style Crane at 6. Sent to Siaolim at 7. Did not stay long there though. Went on to Ancestral and Whooping Crane at 17. Started Tai Chor at about 25. Still doing all the above and I am 47. So I don't consider myself a "master" because now I am still studying these :- Flying Crane from Sifu Leong. Hopefully Hakka boxing and Ngo Chor from GM Lau and Sifu Xiong. It's like Evert, so rightly, pointed out. It's a journey..............
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Post by Suhana LIM on Mar 11, 2005 4:19:00 GMT -5
Actually started family's style Crane at 6. Sent to Siaolim at 7. Did not stay long there though. Went on to Ancestral and Whooping Crane at 17. Started Tai Chor at about 25. Still doing all the above and I am 47. So I don't consider myself a "master" because now I am still studying these :- Flying Crane from Sifu Leong. Hopefully Hakka boxing and Ngo Chor from GM Lau and Sifu Xiong. It's like Evert, so rightly, pointed out. It's a journey.............. Eric ni hao Thank you for sharing your CV with us. Of course no real qualified master will thumps his chest and calling himself as master. It's a journey, and we all are the travellers................ Cheers.
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Post by pitbull on Mar 11, 2005 7:36:04 GMT -5
actually we cannot pinpoint exactly which ancestor is in whiat part of the body...its all scattered...like what was said before. the sidestepping is very monkey,the spear hands and parrying is very peho. hooking footwork from lohan. etc etc...NCK is such an amalgam of everything else in these 5 techniques. the scissors are from monkey. etc...
Konghan: when was jimmy baba's pik taken? 1992?
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Post by pitbull on Mar 11, 2005 7:48:05 GMT -5
lets not forget where the waist twisting comes from too
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Post by Eric Ling on Mar 11, 2005 8:35:50 GMT -5
Hi all NCK members, Just wondering; I got here a list of empty hand forms done by the Singapore Ngo Chor group. Do you do the same forms? I am doing an approximate translation here also:- 1. 7 steps San Chiem 2. Plum Blossom 100 steps 3. Tat Chun Hard Soft 4. Heaven, Earth and Man Battles 5. Lotus Returning Gate 6. Poisonous Snake Blocking Path 7. San Chiem Character 10 8. Eng Choon Monkey 9. Fierce Tiger Exiting Forest 10. Jumping Charging Angle Strike 11. Lohan 5 Shapes 12. Green Dragon Exiting Sea 13. Fourth Gate Bottom 14. White Crane Displaying Wings 15. Victory in Defeat 16. Big Hard Pak Kua 17. Tai Chor 5 Limbs 18. Scooping Moon From Sea Bottom 19. Meteors Chasing Moon 20. 13 Defenders 21. White Crane 8 Parts 22. 36 Hard Attacks 23. 72 Soft Neutralizing
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Post by pitbull on Mar 11, 2005 9:28:00 GMT -5
sam chien tien te lin chien sam chien cross/sizhi/sipdi lien kuan chien pieng ma chien tit kieng chien disipkun si meng pa kak song suy di tzat sa tzat si tzat go tzat lien kuan pak gua pak gua ziong te swat go to tim tao(my favorite) cheng hong kun lien sia
and some other that i saw but dont know the name :-(
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