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Post by Eric Ling on Nov 1, 2004 4:32:11 GMT -5
There is a saying "Straight punch kill an old master!" See if you can figure out what it means! ;D Hi SergeTK, I think the saying is "Random punches could kill a Kung Fu Master". As usual, welcome to our little forum. And please a little about yourself for the benefit of those who do not know you ? This is important to me - thanks. Eric Ling
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Post by Eric Ling on Nov 1, 2004 4:40:51 GMT -5
this is what i mean that MORE TECHNIQUES LEARNED AND MASTERED are better than FEW TECHNIQUES LEARNED AND MASTERED...... i need some advice. thx. Okay this is what I think, more money made is better than less money made. I use that all the times in my business negotiations. More friends made is better than more enemies made. And the way to make more friends is to be nice. And in this forum it is considered "nice" to introduce yourself properly like I suggested in my reply to one of your postings. So the next time we hear from you, I hope it is about you.
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Post by Suhana LIM on Nov 1, 2004 5:11:19 GMT -5
Okay this is what I think, more money made is better than less money made. I use that all the times in my business negotiations. More friends made is better than more enemies made. And the way to make more friends is to be nice. And in this forum it is considered "nice" to introduce yourself properly like I suggested in my reply to one of your postings. So the next time we hear from you, I hope it is about you. Eric ni hao As the "Toa Pek Kong" of this forum, maybe you must think of ways to the participants to introduce themselves first before make any posting. It's like when we want to enter someone's house, as a good and civilised guest, sure we would knock on the door, ring the bell first. Cheers.
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Post by konghan on Nov 1, 2004 13:37:47 GMT -5
I have a very important question regarding kungfu hand techniques..... According to the book of GoCho (BengKiam Version) that i buy, it stated here that the original 107 attacking hand techniques of GoCho are listed in the Complete Chinese Jujutsu. Master Tan Ka Hong further increased the number of techniques to over 200 in his own "Master Text". He categorized it to: 1. Single Short Hand Techniques 2. Single Long Hand Techniques 3. Double Short Hand Techniques 4. Double Long Hand Techniques 5. Kneeling Stance Hand Techniques plus the Kicking Techniques...... this simply shows that even Master Tan Ka Hong increase the original 107 to over 200..... this is what i mean that MORE TECHNIQUES LEARNED AND MASTERED are better than FEW TECHNIQUES LEARNED AND MASTERED...... i need some advice. thx. With due respect, I think you are trying to move too much ahead of yourself. I know reading is good but you need to take it step by step. But to try to answer your question, it will take years of dedication & commitment to really master so many techniques & one have to be a full time ncker this means training 8 hours a day, 5 or 6 x a week for at least 8 years. I myself have been training for so long but I have only the time to develop techniques that are winthin my level & scope of understanding. As of now I believe that you should start from your level & try to master the techniques in that level before moving on to the next. This way you will have a better way of absorbing and applying techniques more effectively. If you are training under a teacher or sifu he or she should be able to guide you properly but if you are self training or you only have a casual or part time instructor that comes & go then you need to listen carefully & take the time out to visit an official kung fu club & see if you can get enrollment. This way you can get a proper training.
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Post by SergeTk on Nov 1, 2004 15:56:55 GMT -5
I think the saying is "Random punches could kill a Kung Fu Master". Eric Ling NO its definitely “ straight punch kill the old master" ! Point of this saying can't be linked 2 your saying !
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Post by Suhana LIM on Nov 1, 2004 22:18:31 GMT -5
With due respect, I think you are trying to move too much ahead of yourself. I know reading is good but you need to take it step by step. But to try to answer your question, it will take years of dedication & commitment to really master so many techniques & one have to be a full time ncker this means training 8 hours a day, 5 or 6 x a week for at least 8 years. I myself have been training for so long but I have only the time to develop techniques that are winthin my level & scope of understanding. As of now I believe that you should start from your level & try to master the techniques in that level before moving on to the next. This way you will have a better way of absorbing and applying techniques more effectively. If you are training under a teacher or sifu he or she should be able to guide you properly but if you are self training or you only have a casual or part time instructor that comes & go then you need to listen carefully & take the time out to visit an official kung fu club & see if you can get enrollment. This way you can get a proper training. Konghan ni hao Good and valuable advice like yours is needed for the youngsters. Hope the advice not fallen to deaf ears. Cheers.
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Post by pitbull on Nov 3, 2004 19:48:15 GMT -5
another piece of golden advice im sure will fall on dead ears...chinese martial arts are meant to be practiced and theories aremade to work...all reading and comprehending wont make someone a kungfu master. but will make one an obnoxious nerd. special points are comprehending things beyond one's comprehension.
oops forgot to add this:
" A MAN'S HONOR IS ONLY AS GOOD AS HIS WORDS "
this is what i live by to the best of my will and ability...if someone agrees with someone else about something then he should abide by what he said. breaking it will only mean one thing...
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Post by Suhana LIM on Nov 4, 2004 3:23:36 GMT -5
another piece of golden advice im sure will fall on dead ears...chinese martial arts are meant to be practiced and theories aremade to work...all reading and comprehending wont make someone a kungfu master. but will make one an obnoxious nerd. special points are comprehending things beyond one's comprehension. oops forgot to add this: " A MAN'S HONOR IS ONLY AS GOOD AS HIS WORDS " this is what i live by to the best of my will and ability...if someone agrees with someone else about something then he should abide by what he said. breaking it will only mean one thing... Pitbull ni hao If I may add, "Honesty is the best policy." Cheers.
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Post by pitbull on Nov 4, 2004 3:47:54 GMT -5
yes of course ;D ;D
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Post by Hungfist on Nov 6, 2004 23:42:11 GMT -5
Hi , Da Jie Hao, Question : How do you handle a grappler ? You know the kind who like to "Chi kek" all the times ? Axe Kick? If he is bent over enough - elbow to spine? My 2 cents.
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Post by konghan on Nov 7, 2004 1:16:52 GMT -5
Axe Kick? If he is bent over enough - elbow to spine? My 2 cents. I think, the axe kick would be a dangerous move to use against a grappler. It is a perfect technique a grappler want his attacker to use. Anything that goes for high attack including round, straight or reverse punch to the head is what most grapplers are expecting & have prepared themselves against strikers. This means they can dodge those attack becuase they aim for the lower body. I think, close quarter technique wil be best agianst grapplers. Knee strike, elbow strike quick jabbibg punches, keep those forearms & wrist moving in circular motion to prevent the grappler from locking into your wrist or arm. Control the head of the grappler & keep his arm from warpping into you. In song sui there is a perfect technique for this, " sang kaw ho kun" I think it means double hooking tiger fist.
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Post by essence on Nov 12, 2004 0:47:57 GMT -5
Good day everybody.
In my limited knowledge, I would apply these techniques if someone was charging for my legs.
If there is ample time to react:
Go into Sei Ping Ma, side facing grappler and hope that the timing of an uppercut meets his nose (If possible, I would aim for the eye with extended finger). That should be able to upset him enough. If that fails and contact is made, hopefully I can still connect a couple of swings into his left and right floating ribs and do some damage. Hopefully because of the low stance, I might be able to connect a kick into the groin.
Go into semi forward stance and try to knee grappler. Failing that and when contact is made, put weight forward onto him and try to connect a kick into the knee or groin.
If the grappler is closing in and there is little time to react:
Step into the 7 or 5 o'clock and give the space to the grappler, some chin na techniques could then be applied from that scenario, grabbing the hair, pulling grappler into my right side with left palm into neck/ear/jaw, or, just random straight punching/uppercuts into side of face/head.
Of course, these are hypothetical situations and under the assumption that the grappler does not anticipate the moves. The execution of these moves, again, depends on the level of training to react instinctively. As usual, there is no substitute for training.
Warmest regards, Tze Hou
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Post by Suhana LIM on Nov 12, 2004 3:05:35 GMT -5
Good day everybody. In my limited knowledge, I would apply these techniques if someone was charging for my legs. If there is ample time to react: Go into Sei Ping Ma, side facing grappler and hope that the timing of an uppercut meets his nose (If possible, I would aim for the eye with extended finger). That should be able to upset him enough. If that fails and contact is made, hopefully I can still connect a couple of swings into his left and right floating ribs and do some damage. Hopefully because of the low stance, I might be able to connect a kick into the groin. Go into semi forward stance and try to knee grappler. Failing that and when contact is made, put weight forward onto him and try to connect a kick into the knee or groin. If the grappler is closing in and there is little time to react: Step into the 7 or 5 o'clock and give the space to the grappler, some chin na techniques could then be applied from that scenario, grabbing the hair, pulling grappler into my right side with left palm into neck/ear/jaw, or, just random straight punching/uppercuts into side of face/head. Of course, these are hypothetical situations and under the assumption that the grappler does not anticipate the moves. The execution of these moves, again, depends on the level of training to react instinctively. As usual, there is no substitute for training. Warmest regards, Tze Hou Tze Hou ni hao Good scenarios But the problem in most cases, the opponent also has his own scenario. Which may be totally different to what we have in mind. The best way is by keep on training smart and hard. Experience is the best teacher! Cheers.
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Post by pitbull on Nov 12, 2004 3:11:45 GMT -5
keep out of range
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Post by essence on Nov 12, 2004 3:55:38 GMT -5
Good day Suhana and Pitbull.
Exactly right. The grappler will have his own hypothesis on how to take you down, therefore, no amount of discussion would be fruitful. I have seen a video of the famous William Cheung of Wing Chun grappling on the floor during a fight.
Staying out of range is a good strategy too. But, the grappler is prepared to cover long range in a short time sacrificing the back of the head and back. This is our advantage in my humble opinion. How we react then comes back to how we drill ourselves during our training.?
Another thing I wanted to add after pondering this for a while. Say the grappler has you by the waist, and you have him in a sort of headlock. How hard would it be to just sit down and drive his head into the ground? Thoughts?
Warmest regards, Tze Hou
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