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Post by konghan on Nov 7, 2004 11:51:35 GMT -5
I think the foremost reasons why tcma or kung fu has been spoken of in-effective are:- ?Older generations Sifus and Elders holding back the real skills and teaching only very selected few the “real?fighting elements embedded in the forms and drills. As a kid starting out in tcma, I was doing drills and forms all the times. It was only after a long period that I was given the true fighting qualities. And it is exactly like what you hear; many of the techniques are really lethal. Falling in the wrong hands, the cost could be terrible. I think in all our discussions, we missed the part that tcma was not invented for recreational purposes or friendly tournaments. Most tcma came out during tumultuous time in China and tcma is really your weapon of survival. Knowing how to fight and win is to determine life or death sometimes! With the arrival of guns and explosives, tcma sort of got “relegated?to a recreational and self-disciplining quest. My Shaolin Sifu was always telling us; the history of Shaolin (especially Hung Gar) is written in blood. ?Against that backdrop, contemporary tcma is now taught in many shades. You have the old schools, very reclusive, teaching the old ways. Mainly only to trusted immediate family or clan members. These are the folks that stay away from the limelight and refuse to fraternize with the rest of the tcma world. I know of some Shaolin sects that are still taught in this manner. ?You also have the more users?friendly versions. I remember when I first started teaching, I had parents coming up to me to say; my kid is here to work out and learn a couple of self-defense techniques only. And they don’t really want their kids to do too much free-sparring ?something that was featured very highly in my classes. ?The commercially run schools. This is really all about monetary profits. There are many “self-professed?experts teaching their very watered down brew and marketing it as “authentic?tcma. This is really something very widespread in non-Chinese environments. When I was teaching in the US, I encountered many such “experts? They mimic postures and techniques and with their limited grasp of the true intent, make up their own interpretations. Usually a mix of whatever is available and spinning tales to market their brand. You can easily sort these people out. They are never really able to give you any legit lineage. Or answer with names known only to themselves ?in other words unrecognized/unacknowledged. I think it is important for us to show the world what tcma is really all about. The more we hold back, the more distorted it get in the hands of these businessmen. I know there are some of you who might not agree totally with me here. Just like there are many old Sifus and seniors who see me as too liberal in the way I teach. But think about this. If we keep protecting tcma and hold it back, there will come a time when transmission will taper and stop. So what these businessmen are dishing out now will assume the place of tcma. This is something that must never happen. True, TCMA was design as a survival with leathal techniques. But in san shou or similar to that tcma seem to have a bad rep & even san shou coaches tend to encourage their students to put aside their tcma training & train purely in san shou meathod which is nothing more than repititions of drills identical to both western & muay thai boxing. I believe that even though tcma was design for actual street fighting it is also adoptable to ring fighting like san shou. And this I found out through my master Sifu Lo King Hui when at first he thought I was fighting in an open fist tournament his first coaching tips to me was to use chop & grab the neck but after I told him its an armoued tournament like our present day san shou. And without hesitation he showed me the "x-fist technique" follow up with front kick or kick to shin plus the use of elbows, which I said later to myself how stupid I could be becuase that elbow strike my sifu was refering to was actually in our sam chien. As far as holding back on what tcma is all about it is no longer applicable in todays world becuase we no longer live in a time were hand to hand fighting is the norm of everyday survivability. Society have advance & grew so much so that civilisation have now a more leathal way of survival that doesn't require martial skills also policing have been come complicated too. Tcma need to be preserve & remember & the best way to do this is to actively adopt to present days needs. That is why wu zu quan sifus have organize the Wu Zu Quan International Federation & have been encouraging the chinese government to get involve with the main purpose to introduce to the world what tcma is all about & at the same time to propagate tcma with wu zu quan as being one of them.
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Post by pitbull on Nov 7, 2004 18:39:36 GMT -5
i wish we can have an armored tournament sometime soon,weapons and barehanded,using all if not most NCK stuff
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Post by konghan on Nov 7, 2004 19:18:57 GMT -5
i wish we can have an armored tournament sometime soon,weapons and barehanded,using all if not most NCK stuff Somebody should bring this subject up to our seniors & officers of Wu Zu Quan Federation. Already here in Canada we have kung fu weapons sparings, in fact yesterday I just bought some nice headgear w/ face guard almost like a football helmet. It is design basically for weapon sparing as well as contact sparing. Then there are weapons wrap in foams. I think weapon sparing is safer than san shou contact sparing. I'm planing to introduce weapon sparing to my 2-3 students next year & maybe in 2005 I'll have them participate in local tournaments here in tcma form, weapons, set sparing & weapon sparing. And maybe in amature san shou too, I just hope they stay focus in their training.
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Post by konghan on Nov 8, 2004 16:22:25 GMT -5
PADDED WEAPON'S POINT FIGHTING COMPETITION RULES SCORING
The following addresses the various striking areas on the body which will allow a combatant participating in "point" fighting to accumulate points. It is necessary on the official's part to constantly monitor the combatants in order to "look" for the proper strikes and techniques. In Point fighting, the result of the bout is determined by either competitor scoring 5 points or by obtaining 5 points after a penalty is imposed against an opponent.
Strike to the weapons hand (from shoulder to finger tips) scores 2 points Strike to the head scores one point (top, front, and side) Strike to the torso scores one point (chest, ribs) Strike to the empty hand scores one point Strike to the legs (knee down) scores one point (front, side) Disarm with a follow-up strike scores 2 points Takedown with weapons and a follow-up strike scores 2 points SCORING AT THE EDGE OF THE RING
Both feet must be in the ring in order to score. A combatant cannot score points if they are outside the confines of the ring. However, a combatant who has both feet in the ring can score on an opponent who steps outside the ring while a technique is in the process of being executed while both participants were in the ring. In contrast, a combatant inside the ring can not score a point if the opponent is outside the ring and the technique was not executed while they were both inside the ring.
SCORING WHEN TIME IS CALLED
An effective technique delivered upon time being called is considered valid. Although time has run out in the bout, it is the responsibility of the Head Referee to stop the match and call for point.
CRITERIA FOR DECISION (SUDDEN DEATH)
If competitors are tied after 2 minutes, a 30-second break is administered. After the 30 second break, the combatants face off again and the person scoring the next point is declared the winner. There is no time limit in this face off.
SWEEPS/TAKE DOWN RULE
Sweeps are allowed, when legal and as a means to an end...which is to score. A point is only given when the takedown is followed up with a scoring technique within 3 seconds. Sweeps can be made only with a combatant's weapon and cannot be done with a person's body parts.
DISARMS
Disarms are allowed, when legal and as a means to an end...which is to score. A point is only given when a disarm is followed up with a scoring technique within 3 seconds. Disarms can be made with a combatants weapon or person's body parts providing the weapon being disarmed does not strike combatant. Under no circumstances will a combatant be allowed to "grab" another combatant's weapon in an attempt to disarm. Losing a weapons while making a strike is considered a disarm.
CHECKING/JAMMING
Checking or jamming an opponent is allowed however, a combatant must not touch an opponents weapon while checking. There must also be a means to an end...a follow up strike to score.
BLOCKING
Blocking plays a critical role in padded weapon's point fighting strategies and techniques. A competitor who executes a block should not be penalized for the flexibility of the Kobudo Warrior GearÔ. Officials should understand that there would be some flex with certain weapons that will cause the weapon to bend slightly. This should not be identified as a point strike. Example: A overhead staff strike blocked by a katana. Due to the size of the staff vs Katana, the Katana will bend under the impact. Good judgment should be used when administering the point.
ILLEGAL STRIKING AREAS AND EXCESSIVE CONTACT
Although the Kobudo Warrior GearÔ is the safest padded product in the industry, it is imperative that additional safety precautions be noted and adhered to in an effort to minimize or eliminate the threat of injuries. Under no circumstances will intentional strikes to parts of the body determined to be off limits be tolerated However, it is a known fact that accidents do happen and point penalty or disqualification may be administered based on the severity of the strike. Excessive contact is identified as when a combatant uses (intentional or unintentional) unnecessary force during combat. It is up to the officials to determine what is excessive and what is not during the course of the match. Again, safety is not a majority rules issue....
No strikes to throat No strikes to groin No strikes to base of neck No strikes to back of competitors body No punching or kicking allowed No wrestling, judo throws allowed No thrusts of any sort allowed No Baseball bat type swings allowed No disrespect to ring officials or poor sportsmanship conduct Under no circumstance will any of the Kobudo Weapons i.e. 6' Warrior Staff, 5' Warrior Staff, 4' Warrior Staff, Katana, 3 Sectional Staff be handled in such a manner as to reflect a baseball bat type of strike. (Choke up on handles or staffs and swing like a baseball bat) This type of strike will do nothing but cause unnecessary injuries to competitors. Both hands must be holding on to the weapon at all times. A minimum 4 inches apart for Katana, and 18 to 24 inches for staffs. With regards to the Bo staffs, both hands must firmly grip the black foam handled section of the staff. At no time will competitors be allowed to grab or hold on to the "padded" ends of the staffs. The katana must be used as intended. The bladed edge must be used in order to score a point. Due to the extended reach of the 3 sectional staff, the only time a competitor is able to hold a single section of the staff is when the competitor holds the middle section. Otherwise, competitor must have one hand each on 2 separate sections of the staff. However, caution is advised when using the 3 sectional staff because of its whipping effect. The handle of the Tonfa cannot and should never be used for striking. Only side strikes are allowed with the shaft of the weapon. There will be no thrusting with the Tonfa or any other weapon. Common sense should be used when training or competing with Kobudo Warrior GearÔ! Under no circumstances will participants be allowed to inflict injury by using illegal strikes or excessive force. If a competitor knowingly and maliciously causes injury to another, then immediate disqualification will be enforced.
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Post by konghan on Nov 8, 2004 16:22:48 GMT -5
PROHIBITED BEHAVIOUR
All competitors engaging in padded weapon's point fighting are to conduct themselves in a professional and sportsmanship like manner. The "Code of the Warrior" is based on honour, fighting spirit and martial protocol. This exemplary behavior should always be evident in the actions exhibited by the combatants while in the fighting arena. The following categories of unethical behavior will not be condoned in the fighting arena. Disqualification or warning leading to disqualification can result from such prohibitive behavior. It should be also noted that the instructor will be held accountable for the actions of their students and may also be subject to ramifications due to the actions of his/her student. In the event of a non-represented combatant, the individual is responsible for their actions.
Techniques that make contact to unauthorized targets (i.e. throat, groin, neck, spine, etc.) Techniques which are void of artful execution Techniques, which are excessive in, contact, uncontrolled or controlled Use of any part of the competitor's body in an illegal fashion Techniques, which by their very nature, cannot be controlled for the safety of the opponent Repeated exits (running or refusing to fight) from the ring Techniques, which waste too much, time (refusing to engage the opponent) Blind techniques Taunting - Respect for each combatant should be a priority. All combatants should understand that penalties regardless of how minor are still serious infractions at a Kobudo Warrior Combat TournamentÔ and will not be tolerated.
PENALTIES AND PENALTY POINTS
Winning on a penalty point is the same as an earned point. Thus a combatant can win on a penalty point. The following is a breakdown of penalties for any infraction of an illegal act or any act deem malicious by the center referee or ring officials:
Point awarded to the grieved competitor. Disqualification Depending on the severity of the infraction, the competitor may receive a penalty or receive immediate disqualification from the tournament. Once a competitor is disqualified, he/she may not compete in any divisions for the remainder of the day. If the infraction is severe, expulsion from future events is also warranted
BEFORE THE BOUT
Center referee must check for the following safety items:
Head Gear (Re-enforced steel wire cages and Full Faced Head) Mouthpiece Hand Gloves Elbow Pads (Optional but highly recommended) Knee and shin pads (Optional but highly recommended) Chest protector (Mandatory for competitors under 18 yr. - optional but highly recommended for adults) GENERAL TOURNAMENT RING PROCEDURES
STARTING A BOUT: The Center Referee stands on his line and all ring officials are in place. The combatants take their assigned starting positions. The Center referee then instructs combatants to pay their respect to each other and then tothe Center Referee. The Center Referee looks at the Score Keeper and Time Keeper to visibly see and ask if they are ready, upon acknowledgment that they are ready, the Center Referee then instructs combatants to assume fighting position. The Center Referee then commences the bout with a verbal command "Fight."
STOPPING A BOUT: Interrupting or at the completion of a bout, the center referee chops down vertically (with open hand), verbally shouting, "Break."
RESUME FIGHTING: The center referee places his palms together while simultaneously shouting "Fight."
JUDGMENT (CALL FOR POINT): The center referee calls for a "judgment" after stopping bout by shouting, "Break." The center referee then calls for the Point. The 3 Ring Officials render their individual decision (point) by signaling their hands to indicate whom they feel scored the point(s) or made illegal/excessive contact.
A hand identifies 1 point with one finger showing to ward the competitor depending on who scored. A hand identifies 2 points with two fingers showing to ward the competitor depending on who scored. EXCESSIVE CONTACT/ILLEGAL STRIKES are identified by ring officials pointing toward ground with their hand in the direction of the offending competitor.
SIMULTANEOUS SCORING: No point to either competitor. The center referee brings fist together in front of chest.
DECLARING A WINNER: The center referee extends an open hand toward winner.
AWARDING A PENALTY: The center referee points his index finger to the face of the offender. A point is then awarded to grieved opponent. Head referee will insure scorekeeper awards a point.
DISQUALIFICATION: Head referee will vocalize action by stating disqualification and reason why then will announce winner of match.
UNIFORMS AND EQUIPMENT REQUIREMENTS
All padded weapon's point fighting divisions will have a standard dress code that reflects the professional demeanor of these exciting events. The code is essential in identifying the combatants from the officials in addition to insuring organizational parity form one tournament to another. The following guidelines should assist combatants and officials in attiring themselves properly at a sanctioned event.
Padded weapon's point fighting combatants are required to have the following:
Clean GI with belt Mouthpiece Athletic Cup (male combatants) Fingernails and toe nails trimmed Protective Hand Pads Recommended equipment Kobudo Warrior GearÔ Weapon of Choice Knee Pads Shoes (non marking soles) Head Gear - reinforced wire Cages Elbow Pads Any safety pad combatant feels are necessary to prevent injury and without restriction of motion. The following must also be adhered to: No T-shirts unless covered by GI top. If T-shirts are worn, T-shirt must be part of an official martial arts school uniform. No Baggies allowed in competition area. Competitors must wear GI bottoms unless Baggies is an official martial style of martial arts uniform Long hair must be tied back. Bandages and/or braces must be pre-approved with referee. Watches and jewelry must be removed prior to competition.
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Post by pitbull on Nov 8, 2004 19:46:21 GMT -5
robert is sending you his warmest regards by the way
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Post by konghan on Nov 9, 2004 1:11:02 GMT -5
robert is sending you his warmest regards by the way Robert Liong?, thanks regards to hin & his family as well.
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Post by Suhana LIM on Nov 9, 2004 4:03:04 GMT -5
I think the foremost reasons why tcma or kung fu has been spoken of in-effective are:- • Older generations Sifus and Elders holding back the real skills and teaching only very selected few the “real” fighting elements embedded in the forms and drills. As a kid starting out in tcma, I was doing drills and forms all the times. It was only after a long period that I was given the true fighting qualities. And it is exactly like what you hear; many of the techniques are really lethal. Falling in the wrong hands, the cost could be terrible. I think in all our discussions, we missed the part that tcma was not invented for recreational purposes or friendly tournaments. Most tcma came out during tumultuous time in China and tcma is really your weapon of survival. Knowing how to fight and win is to determine life or death sometimes! With the arrival of guns and explosives, tcma sort of got “relegated” to a recreational and self-disciplining quest. My Shaolin Sifu was always telling us; the history of Shaolin (especially Hung Gar) is written in blood. • Against that backdrop, contemporary tcma is now taught in many shades. You have the old schools, very reclusive, teaching the old ways. Mainly only to trusted immediate family or clan members. These are the folks that stay away from the limelight and refuse to fraternize with the rest of the tcma world. I know of some Shaolin sects that are still taught in this manner. • You also have the more users’ friendly versions. I remember when I first started teaching, I had parents coming up to me to say; my kid is here to work out and learn a couple of self-defense techniques only. And they don’t really want their kids to do too much free-sparring – something that was featured very highly in my classes. • The commercially run schools. This is really all about monetary profits. There are many “self-professed” experts teaching their very watered down brew and marketing it as “authentic” tcma. This is really something very widespread in non-Chinese environments. When I was teaching in the US, I encountered many such “experts”. They mimic postures and techniques and with their limited grasp of the true intent, make up their own interpretations. Usually a mix of whatever is available and spinning tales to market their brand. You can easily sort these people out. They are never really able to give you any legit lineage. Or answer with names known only to themselves – in other words unrecognized/unacknowledged. I think it is important for us to show the world what tcma is really all about. The more we hold back, the more distorted it get in the hands of these businessmen. I know there are some of you who might not agree totally with me here. Just like there are many old Sifus and seniors who see me as too liberal in the way I teach. But think about this. If we keep protecting tcma and hold it back, there will come a time when transmission will taper and stop. So what these businessmen are dishing out now will assume the place of tcma. This is something that must never happen. Eric ni hao As a person who don't earn money from martial art, I can have more freedom. I can freely speak out about the real fact and truth of martial arts. THERE IS TOO MUCH EXAGGERATION, MYTH-MAKING AND OUTRIGHT FABRICATION IN THE MARTIAL ARTS TODAY. Whenever there is someone somewhere "chui niu" ("blowing the cow") make me stimulated to "balance" him. Cheers.
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Post by Eric Ling on Nov 9, 2004 10:29:18 GMT -5
Eric ni hao As a person who don't earn money from martial art, I can have more freedom. I can freely speak out about the real fact and truth of martial arts. THERE IS TOO MUCH EXAGGERATION, MYTH-MAKING AND OUTRIGHT FABRICATION IN THE MARTIAL ARTS TODAY. Whenever there is someone somewhere "chui niu" ("blowing the cow") make me stimulated to "balance" him. Cheers. Hi Suhana, Very noble of you. But you know what I think ? Don't even bother with these pretenders. To do so is to dignify them and that is why I treat them as "non-existent". How long do you think they can go on faking? Unless they are dealing only with the blind and stupid. You can only get away with so much! Said this many times and I am saying this again - there is no such thing as a secret lineage or teacher. Only in Wu Xia novels maybe. Do your stuff and those in the know can tell straight away. Han Jia yi chu shao, jui zi yu may yu - I am sure you must know this. The best way to expose them is to keep opening and sharing the real stuff. I hope we do exactly this in this forum. Xie Xie
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Post by Suhana LIM on Nov 10, 2004 3:25:01 GMT -5
Hi Suhana, Very noble of you. But you know what I think ? Han Jia yi chu shao, jui zi yu may yu - I am sure you must know this. Xie Xie Eric ni hao ;D ;D ;D I like that "Han Jia yi chu shao, jui zi yu may yu." ;D ;D ;D so true. Xie xie.
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Post by konghan on Jan 20, 2005 12:14:46 GMT -5
Punching drill work, for power punching development against a target.
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Post by konghan on Feb 24, 2005 12:24:37 GMT -5
" [The first bout of the evening was the 70kg category fight between Yang Zhiqiang, a winner of last year's China VS Japan Freestyle Tournament 2003, and Mingcheng Yusi (pinyin translation), a runner-up at Royama's Kyokushin-kan Open Tournament. But because Kyokushin rules forbids striking to the face as well as all forms of grappling, Mingcheng was obviously not used to Yang's grappling range attacks. Yang was able to use his throws to their best effect./b]
I just read this article, is it so that Kyokoshin sparring has no head shot? if that is so, uhm very interesting
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Post by konghan on Mar 10, 2005 12:23:20 GMT -5
Applying the Five Ancestor Fist of: 1. crane = hand techniques of whipping power, takedown techniques ( jab, one-two combination punches, leg grabding) 2. monkey fist = quickness, mobility and agility ( moving side to side, fustrating your opponent and keeping him /her off balance from landing a good shot) 3. Ta cho = powerful kicks (round house to the thigh, side kick, counter leg sweeping and taking down opponent after grabbing their legs) 4. Lohan = fast and good footwork (staying light, and fast move in and out, hit and run) 5. Da Mo = energy focusing and control ( penetrating strikes that would knock your opponent down with either a punch or kick or stunt them) All this are powerful tools to become succesful in san shou competition.
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