Lei Tai gloves/no gloves

[htowndragon]

hi sorry that i have not had time to post on this forum much, compared to the rest of you i don't have much to "contribute".

myname is jason liao, my sifu is chou yi ching in Houston, Tx, disciple of the late gong bao zhai in taiwan (gong bao tian ba gua), and is currently studying Jook Lum Tong Long Pai under GM Henry Poo Yee.

it was interesting reading through these threads, expecially the lohan chuan one, because the main form of gong bao tians ba gua is Tong Bei ( or Bi, depending on who u ask) Lohan Pao Chui, which, orally transmitted, is the first of the 18 lohan "tangs"

anyways, good form, and i use almost all my fighting apps from it.

i am currently 17 years old, sort of like in my begining "hey day" for "crossing hands" with people, which i ahve been doing (asian parents get mad about it, trust me)

i was wondering if you guys have any information on Lei Tai fighting, when boxing gloves were instituted, etc. I have had a hard time adjusting to fighting with boxing gloves (14oz) due to when me and my friends trained in chinatown, we wore no hands protection. we had to hold back a little bit, but hit hard enough to "penetrate" with the hand. can you guys please share some info? thank you so much.

[konghan]

htowndragon said:

hi sorry that i have not had time to post on this forum much, compared to the rest of you i don't have much to "contribute".

my name is jason liao, my sifu is chou yi ching in Houston, Tx, disciple of the late gong bao zhai in taiwan (gong bao tian ba gua), and is currently studying Jook Lum Tong Long Pai under GM Henry Poo Yee.

it was interesting reading through these threads, expecially the lohan chuan one, because the main form of gong bao tians ba gua is Tong Bei ( or Bi, depending on who u ask) Lohan Pao Chui, which, orally transmitted, is the first of the 18 lohan "tangs"

anyways, good form, and i use almost all my fighting apps from it.

i am currently 17 years old, sort of like in my begining "hey day" for "crossing hands" with people, which i ahve been doing (asian parents get mad about it, trust me)

i was wondering if you guys have any information on Lei Tai fighting, when boxing gloves were instituted, etc. I have had a hard time adjusting to fighting with boxing gloves (14oz) due to when me and my friends trained in chinatown, we wore no hands protection. we had to hold back a little bit, but hit hard enough to "penetrate" with the hand. can you guys please share some info? thank you so much.

My understanding of lei tai is that, lei tai is part of traditional Chinese martial art lei tai which means "rampart platform" is a venue where martial fighters fight one on one either in duel or in friendly matches as a test of skill.

In the ancient times, lei tai fighting was full contact-free sparing no protective gears were use. The use of all available techniques are employed a lot of times fighters either get seriously injured or died. Unless agreed upon, some lei tai are fought with regulated use of certain techniques in order to prevent death. In those type of lei tai fighters fight not to kill but to test their martial skills.

Ancient martial sparring.

As society progresses and advance to the 20th century, life in general became more sophisticated and more valuable. Traditional Chinese martial art adapted to this changes by introducing protective gear in lei tai sparing.

The national government of China during the 1930s tried to nationalized and regulate lei tai but due to social unrest in China with the civil war between the nationalist and the communist, the nationalist government failed in that field.

After the mainland China fell to the communist, lei tai became to be conducted by separate regional groups mostly by overseas Chinese and different TCMA groups.

Lei tai from 1960s - 1980s sparring rules are:
1. wearing of protective gears such as head guard, body armour, gloves, shin and foot guard.
2. fighting is 3 rounds 2 minute each round.
3. fight is held in a raise platform with no ropes.
4. punching, kicking, leg grab and take downs are allowed.


1968, Fisrt Southeast Asian Martial Art tournament, held in Singapore.


In fact, the rules of lei tai are identical with the present san shou.

In the 1970s when mainland China started to adapt a new policy of openness and socio-capitalism, the Chinese government step in and introduced san shou.

The difference between san shou and lei tai is that lei tai fighters and TCMA are consider as one and are inseparable. All lei tai fighters are identified with their TCMA training.

In lei tai, martial artist retain their kung fu identity.


1986, San shou Invitational held in Zhenzen, China.

San shou on the other hand have totally dissociated themselves from TCMA, san shou is consider a totally separate sport. That is why, many people are identifying san shou as kick boxing with take down. San shou is some degree has become "unkung fu"


Professional san shou.

[htowndragon]

3Q 3Q 3Q good post.