Tiger Crane Hard Soft Style.

[Eric Ling]

Here's a system that has never been brought up in this forum.

"Tiger Crane Hard Soft" style.

Anyone with more info?

[revolusean]

that kind of looks like wing chun to me - like chi sao practice.

I have always heard that Hung Gar's Fu Hok set combines hard and soft techniques to create a more balanced approach - However, if Tiger Crane Hard Soft is a set (or system) by itself I am at a loss to any real information.

where did the pictures come from?

[PaulH]

While the chisau looks like WC, but the twisted fist is not very common in WC. It seems to function like a tan sau opening the opponent up for an inside attack though. Nice pics, Eric! =)

[Eric Ling]

Hi guys,

The pictures are from an old CKF magaizine published in the 70s.

The interesting thing is that accordingly to the brief article, this system is supposed to be "internal" and "Doaist" based.

Ya, I thought the 2 men drills look a little Wing Chun Chi-Sao too.

But cannot really see much with stills.

I was hoping to see these folks in action.

And there is another pic of them doing something that looks like "butterfly" knives or "Bak Chum Doa".

Other weapons; iron rulers (Sais) and tiger folks. Their tiger-folks look smaller than most though.

[Nataraya]

Dear revolusean:

Interesting your replies. may I ask why you use a Fu Hoc icon, together with your name? Once Lam Sai Wing was seen as the 'expert' of Fu Hoc Seung Ying Kuen. Till the seventies followers even use the name of Fu Hok Pai to illustrate that they belong to this branch. A very close group around that, create the icon you having. Stylised characters of Fu Hoc. Did one of your ancestors belongs to Hung Kune. We know that Hungfist's Sigung [Buk Saam Kong) did practice CLF.

Eric, are you teasing me? Are you making me a fool saying I need stronger glasses? I can't see the Trident, hahahahaha. And I like to see for identification.
I am very pleased with these pictures because you taste the strong relation between Fukien - Hakka and cantonese Boxing. Yee Tji Kim Yeung Ma is such a very strong aspect you can notice. The term "Duen Kiu, Duen Ma" : or High horse, short Bridges is a thing you see reflected in these pictures.
Finally, Eric is that a keilung/ Qilin?

Are you willing to take sometime to read and translate some text for us, that comes along with this article. or please send it that I can read it?

Good and very interesting attachments.

Kindest regards,

Evert.

Note: Do not like the Northern Giem/s though, prefer the Southern ones.

[Eric Ling]

Nataraya said:

Eric, are you teasing me? Are you making me a fool saying I need stronger glasses? I can't see the Trident, hahahahaha. And I like to see for identification.
I am very pleased with these pictures because you taste the strong relation between Fukien - Hakka and cantonese Boxing. Yee Tji Kim Yeung Ma is such a very strong aspect you can notice. The term "Duen Kiu, Duen Ma" : or High horse, short Bridges is a thing you see reflected in these pictures.
Finally, Eric is that a keilung/ Qilin?

Are you willing to take sometime to read and translate some text for us, that comes along with this article. or please send it that I can read it?

Good and very interesting attachments.

Kindest regards,

Evert.

Note: Do not like the Northern Giem/s though, prefer the Southern ones.

Hey Evert,

It's my humble belief that fools are born and not made. ;D ;D ;D

Okay, the rest of the pics from the same article:-
As for translating, well it is still CNY...Carlsberg's time.hehehe





Will send this & a bunch of other stuff to you these next few says.

[Nataraya]

Eric,

Not neccessary to say that it is Carlsberg time, we just need to observe the qualities of the copies to have an impression about your alcohol promilage. Thank God, it is not my eyes, hahahahaha.

Again, I am pleased to see these shots. Stances doesn't change at all, very high horses. The Trident is not really small (as in several Fukien styles), and not so big and heavy as in some Hung Kuen branches. Very interesting is the hold of the tridient. So far I have seen this in Yee Chee Wai's Hung Kuen school.

The other pictures are not really sharp. Do I see a single Tit Jek? Further indeed a Lion, all in the environment of a nice school with more then 30 practitioners.

Looking to the bosy postures, my thoughts are not running towards Hakka. Stances are a bit too high for Yong Chun (county) orientated arts. I must convince that it is a special combination of skills heading towards Wing Chun more, then the other systems I am aware off. Still, very interesting I must say. Thank you Eric!

Kindest regards,

Evert.

[Eric Ling]

Nataraya said:

Eric,

Not neccessary to say that it is Carlsberg time, we just need to observe the qualities of the copies to have an impression about your alcohol promilage. Thank God, it is not my eyes, hahahahaha.

Evert.

Hey hey hey, blame the lousy digital camera I got you crazy dutchie. (got a nice ring to it - thanks Simon).

Okay okay, I will get a scanner.

But then, think about it my friend.

There is method in my madness.

Not all the good stuffs are served in a teahouse.

For that, you need a nice restaurant hahahahaha.......

Now where is my Carlsberg ;D ;D ;D

[Firehawk]

Here is a link about Wong Kiew Kits Tiger Crane it seems to be different than Wong Fei Hungs .
shaolin-wahnam.tripod.com/shaolin/tiger-crane01.html

[revolusean]

Nataraya -

Please check your PM

The pictures are interesting -

Sifu Wong's Tiger/Crane set was contrasted pretty well with the Lam family's in that article. The patterns were all easily recognizable.

There was no mention of this version being daoist based though.

Good link though

[Eric Ling]

Evert,

My idea of a right size tiger fork. ;D ;D ;D