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Post by pitbull on Oct 11, 2004 18:29:24 GMT -5
well...almost like it :-) the forearm conditioning i am talking about is like the ones they do in tai chor...banging of the forearms until it becomes all swollen and bruised. the kicking is interesting...havent seen it here in my part of the world yet though...some 15 years ago,challenges were VERY common and some more years back challenges go to the extreme,sometimes to death. in the early 50's,some 80 something people challenged Konghan and the challenge was accepted. out came 10 people. when one of our elders came out he is determined to kill with his bare hands. the people seeing him(hes tall for an asian and equally large too) and his chestnut knuckle they all just gave insults then leave...he is such an imposing figure in his youth i can bet on that. but now he is old but still a large powerful oldman...he keeps on telling us stories like these...there are 4 of them that he keeps repeating. sometimes i would just pretend to listen so as not to offend our gramps if martial law wasnt issued in 1971 then i guess all these would continue up to this day...im glad that this is gone but also sorry for all these challenges meant i think its called 'ka nga kee' isnt it? PS: the man on the right on the 1st foto looks a lot like ramon zamora
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Post by Fatman on Oct 11, 2004 18:51:11 GMT -5
... Testing do have my interest, in relation with Sanzhan/ Saam Tziem. My knowledge and understanding reach not further then some footages of testing from Okinawan systems. Fatman, are you willing to shine some light about this, and eventually differences with the Japanese way? Kind regards, Evert. I will be honest that my knowledge of the Japanese testing is very limited. From what I have seen, they test their sanchin by striking the practitioner as they hold each position. It is almost like the primary goal in their testing is to test the iron shirt. In NCK, we test the Sam Chien differently, testing the stance, balance, power, and listening rather than the iron shirt. In doing this we believe we improve the technique and power of the practitioner rather than just the iron shirt. As I said, my knowledge is very limited wrt. the Japanese arts, so please take what I say with a grain of salt until it can be verified .
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Post by pitbull on Oct 11, 2004 19:39:35 GMT -5
testing as far as our group goes mainly is stepping on the legs and kicking it just to check the balance and stance...and a few iron shirt testing too...some slaps and push and half blown punches...
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Post by Fatman on Oct 11, 2004 20:35:52 GMT -5
testing as far as our group goes mainly is stepping on the legs and kicking it just to check the balance and stance...and a few iron shirt testing too...some slaps and push and half blown punches... OK, I thought you guys checked the same way we did. You learn something new every day
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Post by pitbull on Oct 11, 2004 20:39:16 GMT -5
every where people do diff things :-) we actually omit the hitting ometimes since the children may find it distasteful..but its ok for me though..
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Post by Eric Ling on Oct 11, 2004 21:37:38 GMT -5
Hi all, Ah Teck would punch and kick when testing your San Chiem tension. But with the kids, he goes easy. Don't want to spook the watching parents. One of Ah Teck fave demo is to go into San Chiem posture and have a running log rammed into his stomach area. Usually takes about 4 - 5 persons to handle the log and run towards him. I won't say we do a lot of 3-stars style forearm conditioning in Tai Chor. But Siao Lim is another story. Iron fist training is crazy. I would not recommend this unless you have very proper guidance and all the necessary Dit Da Jow both internal and external. Ah Joo was able to just pick up a solid red brick, hold it in his left hand and punch it with his right fist. Send one half flying. He went to Japan and did some of these and you know how the Jap loves breaking stuff. They gave him a "red belt" or something after watching him.
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Post by pitbull on Oct 11, 2004 22:03:30 GMT -5
is there any alternative ti ti ta jiu? the ones i have and the ones that are available here are smelly...i bang my forearms 2-3 times a week on a young coconut tree in the office and it gets really sore after...but i cant put ti ta jiu bec my co workers would all complaint. i used a cheap balm but they complaint with it too..what should i do? i dont want to compromise my training.
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Post by Eric Ling on Oct 11, 2004 23:08:09 GMT -5
Hi Pitbull,
Be careful with your Ti Ta Jiu. If it smells sour, the base is probably vinegar.
Vinegar is bad!
Use only those with "liquor" as the base component. In this case, it should not smell that bad.
You can get all sorts of Ti Ta Jiu all over Singapore. There is even a little TCM place in Hougang (Serangoon Gardens) area in Singapore doing treatments and selling Ti Ta Jiu. The operator is from NCK.
Talk to Evert. He is very good in this area.
You can even make your own if you find the materials in your place. Evert should have all the necessary "recipe".
Try not to use too much balm. I find them good as a pain reliever but does nothing for hardening.
I am doing what you are doing - hitting palm trees trunk.
And I also kick banana trees - like in Muay Thai.
Love to send the other person wobbling when I slam him in the knee or thigh area. Kicking banana tree trunk is best for me because it feels like kicking thighs.
I also do flying elbows into banana tree trunks. When I fight - I like a quick job.
Hate prolonged posturing !!!
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Post by pitbull on Oct 12, 2004 0:18:05 GMT -5
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Post by Eric Ling on Oct 12, 2004 1:11:53 GMT -5
my workmates here doesnt even like the slight smell of menthol,they will always say 'here comes the oldman again' and things like that...is there a ti ta jiu recipe that doesnt even smell like wine either? in bad need... Just tell them it is the latest scent from Hugo Boss or something. ;D ;D ;D But really, the expert is that smelly Dutch - Evert. ;D ;D ;D Wait for him on this.
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Post by Suhana LIM on Oct 12, 2004 5:06:53 GMT -5
Da jia ni men hao Please don't "hurt" the coconut or banana trees. We are environmentally concious If you guys want to strengthen forearms and shin, please use proper tools. Use concrete ball (25-30 kg), you can use the ball for training stomach area muscles. If you don't want concrete ball, you can use electric pole. It's good. Cheers.
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Post by pitbull on Oct 12, 2004 18:48:34 GMT -5
if i use electric pole then i get electrocuted there will be no more pitbull...byebye lor...
the coconut tree will thank me for it since im giving him attention ;-) the thing that worries me are the large ants that pass on my feet when i train...
ants are very smart and i admire them...the are very disciplined and oragnized...i wish the people in our country will be like them and work together for a commn goal.
i just saw what our favorite dutchman posted on another thread...i must hand it to him...the future of kungfu is not in our native soil...like what happened years ago from china to SE asia/HK and now overseas.
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Post by Suhana LIM on Oct 13, 2004 5:31:44 GMT -5
if i use electric pole then i get electrocuted there will be no more pitbull...byebye lor... i just saw what our favorite dutchman posted on another thread...i must hand it to him...the future of kungfu is not in our native soil...like what happened years ago from china to SE asia/HK and now overseas. Pitbull ni hao I don't think so. We can "transfer" all our cultures including kungfu to people from different culture background, but still they will be better if performed by us. Pardon me for saying this. Cheers.
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Post by Eric Ling on Oct 13, 2004 5:41:11 GMT -5
Pitbull ni hao I don't think so. We can "transfer" all our cultures including kungfu to people from different culture background, but still they will be better if performed by us. Pardon me for saying this. Cheers. Hi Suhana, Cannot say I am with you there. I've met a non-chinese who speaks better Mandarin and do better Kung Fu than I. He is an American living in Denver. You cannot get more white than him. Spent time - big time in Taiwan. I think it is the spirit that counts. And really spirits are all the same. Just like rock n roll.........still trying to be the next Eric Clapton hahahaha.
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Post by Suhana LIM on Oct 13, 2004 6:12:18 GMT -5
Eric ni hao If I want to learn English, I've two options. Both teachers are equally good. One is Englishman, the other is from Somalia. I would choose the Englishman as my teacher. I want to enjoy delicious lamb curry. I've two alternatives. Both chefs are very experience and equally well known. One chef is Indian, the other is Chinese. Of course I will choose the lamb curry cooked by Indian chef. Cheers.
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