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Post by Eric Ling on Dec 9, 2004 22:38:24 GMT -5
Hi folks, Starting a thread here to talk about CKF kicks. What are some of the kicks done in your system? Care to share? Okay the pictures:- 5 taken from “Tai Chi Fighting Principles” and the high kick is from “Hop Gar”. These are really common CKF techniques and I will talk about equivalents from other systems. Starting from top left and going clockwise:- 1. Tai Chi “Golden Rooster Standing on 1 leg”. Hitting the chin and knee striking in one move. Kao kun’s version would be “Monkey Climbing Tree”. You even see this in Hsing Yi 12 animals under the monkey portion also. I have seen this combo numerous times in Muay Thai matches. Either uppercut or upward elbow and the knee in one go. 2. I don’t know the Tai Chi name for this kneeling kick – the Sifu in the video is from Chen’s Tai Chi btw. In Shaolin’s Lohan, every time you see a kneeling posture with one hand raised above the head – this is the function. You kneel into the back of your opponent’s knee region and stretch his hand up. This would immobilize him. Name of Lohan technique; Riding Dragon Lohan. 3. Back thrust kick. To me this is a TKD kick adapted into modern Wushu. Views? 4. Lifting and scooping. The opponent’s arm is lifted at the elbow and the leg scooped from underneath. This is a favorite ChangQuan or long-fist posture. 5. Looks like a Praying Mantis technique to me. You see the knee raised and the hands doing the Mantis “tiao”. Or course in the Wushu’s version, you would see all the extra circling of the “tiao shou”. 6. Hsing Yi Dragon posture from 12 animals form. Very common in CKF both Northern and Southern. Above is just a small sample of CKF kicks. Hopefully adequate to get tongues waggling and fingers typing. Common guys, what kicks do you do?  |
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Post by essence on Dec 10, 2004 5:26:29 GMT -5
Good day Eric.
Many of the kicking my Sifu puts us through has to do with Crane. There are 2 exceptions which come to mind though.
The backthrust is one of the kicks that we do, not sure of the name of the technique, but I am pretty sure it is to do with Tiger. Usually done while pulling on opponent's hand/forearms in order to drive it the kick in harder.
The other kick which we do looks very much like the stomp in one of the pictures from the School of Natural Boxing. This is usually done to the knee, aimed at the side of the knee to break the joint.
The other kicks, as I have said is usually associated with Crane, mostly a front spear kick to the solar plexus/bladder/groin. We also use the heel to kick into the hip area, where the legs join the groin.
Perhaps Evert can shed more light on the kicks in Hung Gar as I am sure I only know a minimal of the kicks found within.
Warmest regards,
Tze Hou
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Post by konghan on Dec 10, 2004 8:23:33 GMT -5
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Post by Eric Ling on Dec 10, 2004 8:28:59 GMT -5
Wow just like Bruce Lee! ;D ;D ;D
Welcome back - go to "Research Materials" thread. Some old Kong Han pics there.
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Post by Eric Ling on Dec 10, 2004 8:40:36 GMT -5
Hi, Another CKF kick - "Dragon Waggling Tail".  |
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Post by essence on Dec 10, 2004 9:04:11 GMT -5
Good day everybody.
Konghan: 2nd picture is exactly what we are taught, the kick I described as a Tiger technique.
Eric: The hook kick is very interesting. I have never learnt to kick this way from a CMA perspective. May I ask, is this of a Northern system?
Warmest regards,
Tze Hou
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Post by Eric Ling on Dec 10, 2004 9:15:58 GMT -5
Eric: The hook kick is very interesting. I have never learnt to kick this way from a CMA perspective. May I ask, is this of a Northern system? Chao Pao Tai Chi. It's a throw kick. You pull opponent forward and back heel-kick him to throw him. But this Sifu aimed the kick at the kidney area - must be very painful for opponent. ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by essence on Dec 10, 2004 9:19:49 GMT -5
Good day Eric.
I have never heard of Chao Pao Tai Chi due to my inexperience in the martial realm. Anything you could point my way with regards to this style?
To keep this thread on topic, I have not been taught to do hook kicks. Are hook kicks covered in White Crane?
Warmest regards,
Tze Hou
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Post by konghan on Dec 10, 2004 14:23:51 GMT -5
 Low kicks to attack kneeThose NCK pictures that I saw at " Research" they are from the late 60'' & early 70's. Kong Han led a grand delegation & perform overseas in Taiwan, Malaysia & Singapore. Those years was Kong Han's grandest time.  |
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Post by Suhana LIM on Dec 10, 2004 17:44:35 GMT -5
Chao Pao Tai Chi. But this Sifu aimed the kick at the kidney area - must be very painful for opponent. ;D ;D ;D Da jia ni men hao Aiming kidney area, not only painful. The kidney also govern the reproduction matter. In the olden days, by aiming this organ, the opponent with "broken" kidney can not have descendants. Cheers. |
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Post by Eric Ling on Dec 11, 2004 6:39:25 GMT -5
Okay Tze Hou, White Crane kicks – yes we do a few. Check the other thread on White Crane kicks to read more. We have a “hook” kick that looks a little like Evert’s kick in the Drunken Form’s thread. You know my standpoint on Fuzhou Crane i.e. it is a fusion of Fujian Crane and Internal Daoist’s Martial Arts. So my journey has taken me into many Daoist’s MA – difficult grounds, I tell you. Daoist’s MA has always been thought of as more “intellectual”. Well, I am lucky to have many guides along the way. Some are even benevolent enough to offer me their collected materials on this subject matter. I was looking for the source of Fuzhou Cranes’ Internal MA. Since no record of this is available, I started zooming in on principles/techniques. The picture below is one such kicking technique frequently found in Internal MA that is incorporated into Fuzhou Crane. The picture is taken from a Daoist fighting arts book.  |
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Post by essence on Dec 11, 2004 7:18:48 GMT -5
Good day Eric.
Would it be generalising to say that White Crane's kicks concentrated on the lower gates? The picture you posted indeed does remind me of Daoist MA, but in my spear form, I have to execute such a kick as well. Could it be this kick is common throughout, or could it be prevalent in the Northern systems, as my Sifu did say my spear form is not a Hung Gar spear form.
Warmest regards,
Tze Hou
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Post by Eric Ling on Dec 11, 2004 7:55:06 GMT -5
Good day Eric. Would it be generalising to say that White Crane's kicks concentrated on the lower gates? The picture you posted indeed does remind me of Daoist MA, but in my spear form, I have to execute such a kick as well. Could it be this kick is common throughout, or could it be prevalent in the Northern systems, as my Sifu did say my spear form is not a Hung Gar spear form. Warmest regards, Tze Hou Tze Hou, I like to say yes but I can’t. Indeed most White Crane kicks are middle and lower gate focused. The spear kick that you talked about goes as high as the chin – so it is termed as an upper gate kick. Having said that, we do have some “flying kicks” in Flying Crane portion of Ancestral Crane. There is a line in a Flying Crane form that runs like this:- “White Crane Charging at the sky, frantically pursuing…………….” Sorry only half poem again here. The hanyu pinyin is this:- “Bai He Chong Tien, Ku Zhui Zong………..”<br> |
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Post by essence on Dec 11, 2004 9:25:35 GMT -5
Good day Eric.
Hmm...the half of the poem already describes the flying kick. I'm sorry if I sound rude here, but I find it extremely unusual for a Southern system to include flying kicks. Maybe this is due to my lack of exposure, but the flowery kicking stuff I have seen all come from Northern systems. Is White Crane one of the exceptions that include flying kicks?
Warmest regards,
Tze Hou
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Post by konghan on Dec 11, 2004 10:15:43 GMT -5
Southern styles kicks are mostly rib area down to the legs. The principle is that use your hands to attack the upper body which is closes to reach while use your legs to attack the lower part which is closes too. Combining or mixing both will keep your opponent off balance. There are also high kicking in southern style specially in wu zu quan which is in the form of high scissor kicks.  |
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